The vaishnava community is full of hypocrites SoI called iskcon dog stool and then shakes hands with them for money. Another guru have ex abused soi disciples and accepts donations from butler. What a bunch of spineless puppets. They are very far from god. No integrity. Noone is standing for justice. This is the kind of coward I had become there. If I knew that there is for sure a just god
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The anger many of us hold, is not truly against butler and his demonic minions. We are angry at ourselves for the lack of self respect and for being so stupid. We must take ownership of our own weakness. butler is nothing but a puppet. If he was not a puppet, he would have control over his own mind. butler and religions are meant to keep one small and helpless. devotees are meant to walk ar
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Religions do not even scratch the surface. Reality is closer to a movie called dark city. Devotees live in a lala land joke. They think all is arranged by one supreme being. Call the dude krishna, allah, jesus, jehovah… It is all a beautiful lie.
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A lot of these practices and beliefs are meant to keep people blind to what truly goes on in this reality. Things that no religion will ever talk about. While you focus on what to eat and not eat on Ekadasi, you are getting screwed by an unqualifies so called guru. As I said it before, this material world is a purgatory that the deities of the vedas claim they have invented. Then they give
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I just found out about this yesterday. There is such as thing as some strong soul connections, but to make money off the back of vulnerable people is disgusting. There are many twin flame gurus out there that charge between 150 to 300 or so for so called advice and readings. I am afraid we cannot protect everybody. I have fallen for a few non sensical new age bs and may have spent a few hund
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The hardest reality is to know that the cult will alwasy be with us. I never dream of my departed that I adored. However I often dream about SoI. Last night they were in my dreams and they had found something they may consider illicit in a box. Or when you see hare krishnas on the streets. It is something you learn how to live with but not so pleasant.
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If religions and spiritual practices offered zero rewards, people would not go through so many austerities. They are tools but they should not imprison you inside walls. Same with any beliefs. Like we chose to come here to learn. All these practices are put on earth in order to allow the soul to find their own path in a free will system. And most misuse their minds and free will in order to
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What is Ekadasi compared to Ramadan and staying dehydrarated the whole day and fast till sunset. Devotees have nothing to complain about with Ekadasi. Imagine staying thirsty in super hot temperatures. Just to prove your loyalty to god. Who the actual hell came up with all these rules and regulations. What has god done for humans other than putting us into this miserable material situation
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No human is qualified to lead thousands of followers. I think that at the time this process was established, guru had an intimate circle of disciples. It is insanity to micromanage so many people. No wonder butler has gone more and more crazy. This is truly an absolutely crazy system to have go guide and chastize sommany people. We all have that inner guidance with us 24/7. I could hear that
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I hear there is a woman in the Ukraine named Gauranga dasi. She is also known to be quite a tytant. She is the same as our leader. RIP. I have forgiven her. Her emotional torture costed her quite a bit and she legt with a much kinder heart. The business class of a smaller planes. Possibly the ones you take for 1 hour or 2 hours trip. Not Boeing. I don’t think anything is more ridiculous than
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For me the material world has always felt like a giant cult anyways since I was a child. This jungle has never been appealing. I finally thought I had found a reason for being here when I came across bhakti. When I look at butler’s face, I see the person who messed up a what could have been. I always blamed the controlling fury who was in charge of our center for messing up my spiritual life.
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Just googling I had the WTF feeling from the moment I became an insider. Things where fine when I was first love bombed. I thought I had landed in heaven. As soon as I was no longer a new person, the fangs came out. But nothing made me happier than telling them personally what a bunch of deranged assholes they are. I could not get these blind lunatic get away with thhinking they are fantastic
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I would have NEVER fallen for the cult of butler if not for the mystical experiences that lured me in. I am not one that gets easily brainwashed. And I am pretty sure that a great majority of devotees fell into the same vortex. That confirmation within the heart plus phenom that blows the mind, made it so I ended up there. And once I was in, I got MK ultrad because I thought that was the onl
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I listened to haf of the podcasts. It is rather interesting. Who is this Greg prson? Is he on this forum? I need to thank him. I just had to tell a funny story. A year ago, I spoke to a disciple of Narayana Mahraja on the phone. When I told her that butler calls his disciples asshole, sluts… I think she almost fell off her chair. She could not even phatom how such a thing is possible. The st
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This is also about buler and tulsi
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Another podcast on butler and tulsi
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Thanks run forest run. What a bunch of hypocrits. Banning people 3 years for one aggressive comment while drug dealing shamans are worshipped. Even though I don’t like to call cannabis a drug because it has helped many as a medicine, it is against the 4 regs. If one sits on the high guru chair, I think the minimum they can do is respect the 4 regs. I would gladly watch an exorcism movie ver
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Damn! I thought that this was a marrying young girl was a Muslim thing. Asides from bowing down, chanting on beads, I guess this oo was inpsired by the Vedic culture. How fascinating. I am sure that I would have been convinced to find this normal. Why an absolute nightmare over all. I am not sure why we call the truth ugly. It is lies that are ugly.
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I am curious about something. Does anybody have an idea how the Bowler operation started? Was he already into smuggling when he got into chanting? I mean how the actual hell this came to be? How is it possible that they all went along with it? I can imagine the convos. “Oh come on. They will buy the hashish anyway. If not form you, someone else. And besides the money is used in krishna’
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Run Forest Run, thay gay club infiltration is truly sick. Nothing can rectify the crap show that is going on in this material realm. If we look at history, all the people who wanted to make a poaitive change, like Luther King, Gandhi… got eliminated. You are supposed to protect yourself from the material realm as much as possible. Not to enter gay clubs in order to find out about their sexua
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Another thing that is not very conducive in those cults, is being constantly with other people. You are so drained by all those different energies and personalities. Yet it is called TOLERANCE. If you are an introvert, you will be called selfish. There is not much time for the “serious” devotees to be alone and reflect. The only alone time you have, is when you do japa. And even that becomes
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mr midgett became more of a legend when muncie left this reality due to his brain cancer. Before him, muncie was the second most worshipped entity after butler. Imagine how life has turned out for him. After all life in the cult has been crappy for many of us because we did not have the right connections But on the other hand SoI is paradise for the likes of midgett and their families. Ca
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In all my years of being part of SoI I never heard of butler and muncie being the incarnation of NitaiGaur. If this is a fact, they are a bit more worse off than I thought. Devotees cannot do drugs, smoke, gamble, have material fun…. Beliefs and spiritual bliss is all they can trip on. Of course they will milk the beliefs as much as possible. I am a person who grew up on faith. And I can say
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Not all souls are made equal. In order to be a guru, a person must already be very pure at heart from the time they enter this reality. Placed in the right family that will nurture the divine qualities even more. Kind of like a Jesus figure. When you carry few thousand on your shoulders, you cannot be in need of psych consults and exorcism yourself. There is surely a difference between a per
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This is what I think about the all so glorified unconditional love. Let us say a person you love, loses their legs but you stay with them. A parent you were close to gets dementia and does not even know who you are, you still care for them. You can love a person unconditionally for something that is out of their control. But extend that unconditional love all the time to people who make you
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Ultimately the saddest part of Krishna Cosnc is to consider gurus such as butler and the naked emperors of Iskcon as pure reps of god on earth. This is when we must question our sanity. And realize that we have been fooled by the bliss and some mystical tricks. It is like the kid that gets lured by candies. The mix of fear and bliss is for sure a very dangerous cocktail that will glue you t
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It is really sad that we settle for mediocre relations. And we call it love. When we lack self respect, we put up with pretty much eveything. And even those who have self respect like midgett, have fallen for the love addiction, which has made them slave of the bliss dealer, butler. Who are those entities that say that only they must be all powerful? That if you just have one moment of envious
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When I was in the cult, we would call these scammers “The money makers”. They were seen as some rockstars. Because most devotees are poor AF. There are a few who have good paying jobs. Like lawyers, teachers, electricians… And some just live on the verge of poverty. Must pay for rent, food… with part time jobs. And spend 60 hours a week in the Waialna sweatshop working for free. So the money
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Don’t forget. Free pass. It is kosher as long as you do it for Krishna and guru. No Karma involved. Vaikunta is awaiting. All your sins are forgotten and forgiven. Devotees can cheat, steal and lie only if butler agrees. If it pays for his houses, organic food, private jet trips, boats… But if you do something minor, they will throw you out for a few years. It is all normal. Life goes on. Th
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Ultimately the mind and emotions are what keep us prisoners. I understand that religions offer a positive aspect in a way that they give you some basic commandments. You are less likely to harm others if you “fear” or want to please a superior entity. At the same time you give up your will and critical thinking. And every religion tells you that if you turn your back and convert, you will b
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