" heal together and love the new day", that is what this forum has provided and methinks, for all those that post, that there are a vast many more that are attending to your voices but remain silent but do listen. and perhaps those most hurt will come to terms of how to turn. did not hargraves suggest that each church will be able to determine their own course? so why not do it? eac
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spring, just a few weeks away. for those of us living in iowa we certainly hope that that date rings true to the actual. what seems clear to me is that the lw/shiloh, hoax/delusion/con game is over. this is not the 1970's, this is the new day of information via the internet, and unfortunately and equally so, the day of misinformation. the living word/walk juggernaut is dead, a relic of t
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i have been absent from the forum for 10 days or so - ya know, affairs of this life's demands and also, absent from lw/shiloh orthodoxy for over 4 decades, i sensed there was little or nothing more for me to contribute. and tonight, i willed against my will to log in. so here are my thoughts after reading 10 days of posts. i will fail in addressing all or most of the merry posters but th
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richard m, i just posted something on this forum that took me 30' to compose and will take readers only 2' tops to read. curious, do you do the same? - my guess is unlikely.
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richard m, methinks you, as onion, a shining diamond. your posts - eloquent, insightful, personal and thoughtful. i cannot help but wonder, as perhaps many that only read and others this post, the degree of your suffering regarding your children. i so wish it could be/have been different for you. it is hard for me to imagine how difficult all these years must have been you, knowing your chi
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in case it is not clear, regarding my just previous post, i intended to address, primarily, those folks still struggling with their current involvement with lw how to come to terms with their continuing involvement. btw, i'd be quite concerned about tithing, could be like betting on a house of cards; that is unless, your church has cut all financial, legal and spiritual ties with the hargra
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hi all, i have been absent from this forum, both reading and posting, for several days, more or less consumed with "affairs of this life", i.e. making a living and attending to present issues. so undoubtedly, i was overwhelmed with the posts of the past several days; overwhelmed mostly in the support the merries provide for each other but also in providing needful historical informati
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i am sorry and so sorry that i disagree with most of the posts regarding forgiveness. i fail to see where in the scriptures that one forgiving another is prefaced on the transgressor confessing to their fault and taking aims to right their wrong. the onus does not lie with the one to be forgiven but rather the forgiver, completely irrespective of the perpetator's need/desire to be forgiven
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nancyb and JJJ, if you are interested in a good mex. meal together i suggest we not wait until the snow melts (may?) given the present givens. if you do not know how to contact me kboy and little red flag do if you've their contact info. happy ice fishing on the tundra.
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wow, wow, wow and geez, geez, geez, in reading the very numerous posts of the last couple of days since my last post, i am almost overwhelmed by the testaments presented. in my reading those posts i cannot but be overjoyed for myself and, on the other hand, feeling subdued for the pain and suffering for those that remained during gary/marilyn reign. i see that my post about forgiveness has gen
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you all know about jesus' instruction to forgive your enemies. must be supremely tested with respect to hargave, holbrook and company, especially given, presumably, their walking away virtually unscathed with bags of booty while many others, such as yourselves, are left with bags of bad memories and regrets. on the other hand, you've each other, your integrity intact, your moral comp
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dear red flag, an update on my limo driver, honeybutt. as i suspected, he took the route to calif. through colorado and presently is parked in a green dispensary parking lot in denver waiting for it to open. just thought you might like to know. prettboy
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hey onion, is the mr. kent you referenced the famous investigative reporter, clark, from the daily planet? btw, i learned just last week from a conversation i had with a former lw congregant who your former in laws were. if your former father-in-law was in the military during ww2 but not in the u.s. military, then i surely knew your in-laws. sorry you missed getting on that helicopter!
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somewhere along the timeline of my being on this forum i had read and/or heard that the iowa legislature had extended the statue of limitations for sexual assaults claims to 25 years. if so, would that extension fall within the timeline for the alleged sexual abuse claim, having taken place in iowa, against holbrook? so this morning i checked up on that and this, from my readings, is what i thi
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JJJ, what's the ground like about your house and place of work? my home ground is a sea of ice and slick thawed and then frozen snow, absolutely treacherous for walking. i reckon the orthopedics and physical therapists will be much overbooked in the coming weeks.
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on a vastly more serious note than my previous 2 posts what is proceeding, if any, with the charges of sexual assault levied against rick holbrook and the consequent potential coverup by hargrave, both which seem to me, criminal offenses? without such, doesn't it seem there will be no true restitution?
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JJJ, looking forward to meeting you. el paso cuisine on me plus i've a small assortment of vintage hawaiian shirts to brighten your spirits during tundra time.
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little red flag, so sorry you missed your flight to iowa so i'll suggest an alternative. my limo driver, alphonso honeybutt, is getting a bit bored and restless here on the iowa tundra. he told me this morning we should drive to florida and spend a week watching the oranges grow. i told him that would not work given that i need to make money (in part to pay his salary) by selling goods fr
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JJJ, did you enjoy the freezing rain? i closed my store early today in order to get home safely.? "personal service from a DR". not sure what that means, please inform. and if you are in i.c. sometime, swing by my store and i'll buy you some mexican treats from "el paso" restaurant nearby,and they have true mex. food, not tex/mex crap w/ sour cream and head lettuce.
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onion, you don't recall speed reading tests because, i presume, you did not take any. ok, ok dildo references, moby dick, etc., all essentially tongue in cheek. so then, let's ponder your upcoming book together. before doing so i wish to reiterate the effect of my reading a recent post you made which i have recently made note of, the one that resulted in my comment to you to shine o
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thanks kboy, i do hope that don and peter found for themselves lives equal to their respective talents apart from being living word freak show exhibitions. how was your recent excursion into the wilds? and about that spare bedroom you and little red flag offered to provide me as an escape from the throes of an iowa winter, still up? if i come would some of the merries attend and throw flowers
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dear changedagain, again thank you for your clarification about your "disingenuous" comment. i thought that that was addressed to me given my previous comments about one's personal responsibility, etc. i can handle being characterized as being ignorant, insensitive or/and being a egotistical blowhard, but being "disingenuous" might have been more than i could take. y
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hey onion, how are you shining on? hopefully, splendidly. and how is your book coming - at least you are pondering a title, yes? along with your own i've no doubt some of the merries have suggestions. may i be in line with others for a signed copy? on the other hand, for you to write a book about your years of lw experience just might be too much for anyone to ask of you.
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marilyn farms, now that should have been a ruse tipoff - what did marilyn know about farming? thankfully for me i was long gone before that. i missed out on buying into the nevada silver mine, set the kingdom free ruse although i was in the church at that time. i mean, receiving $25/month on enos' farm in 1972 did not allow my participation. i do remember having a copy of his "the
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my active involvement with lw/shiloh was from 1973 to 1978, a short time relative to most of those that post on this forum. in reflection, these were some of the ruses i bought (literally and figuratively) into: in washington, iowa the urine analysis, distilled water and magic pills offered by a "doctor" sponsored by the gardner's (he was an elder in the washington, ia church).
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thank you changedagain and onion for the clarification regarding "disingenuous". it is illuminating to read how many of the merries are resorting to humor in some of their posts; certainly a good tool in the kit of healing. i recall that in the early-mid 70's (and perhaps later) there were 2 young "super prophets" paraded before the LA area congregations, peter and do
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jrs was a delusional visionary. i bought into it for a time. the marilyn/hargrave juggernaut was only visionary with respect to the money.
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hi merry merries, methinks for me, at this time to not only get to the caboose but get off the steamrolling train, at least for a season with respect with any additional comments from me while i listen to manfrd mann's "on the road to babylon. but before doing so i hope to get some clarification from changedagain with her/his recent comment which reads "the encouragement for ex-m
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i had a resolution when i first logged on to this forum 2 or so months ago to not get too absorbed in the day to day. after all, i was 4 decades removed from lw/shiloh bull/horse/turtle shit. goodness, what did i have to offer, what did i have to gain or give? so much for my resolve, my postings a testament to initial resolutions turned out to be poppycock. why? the change. easily explained
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you embrace me, i embrace you and love endures. truth may or may not prevail, hopefully, love will
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