Typer, I am so glad the nurse sent you in the ER in time. John Bender and Dan Nisley's families were very dear friends of my family - I miss them. It is nice to read about them. Those two families were very progressive compared to the old order Amish in the Kalona community. Not getting medical care is the way they knew. Old Order Amish do not have phones, nor cars nor the money to pay med
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Power Trip, so glad you have joined us to share your unique and common insight. I hope to read more from you.
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ChangedAgain wrote, "I like to go back in time, reread posts from various contributors, and share some of them." Changed, You rock! Thanks. 'Going back to reread' is an excellent way to bring more clarity for all of us. For newbies who don't have time to read 1,500 pages, this is good way to focus on the most salient pieces, "we" as a group have pieced tog
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kBOY Wrote: Date: January 28, 2020 06:57AM ------------------------------------------------------- > > The idea of ANY of these characters ever having > their 'ministry' restored is like allowing a > pedophile to work in the nursery. Their > track-records as shepherds speak volumes against > having any credibility in these areas. > Good point kBOY
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WOW! Thanks ChangedAgain for re-posting the Excerpt of a post by 4generation approx three months ago: Posted by: 4generation Date: October 21, 2019 WOW! I missed reading your post 4generation. Thank you for sharing.
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Reepicheep Wrote: Date: January 06, 2018 11:34AM the reply was to what acesandates quote below. Reepicheep gave an excellent reply. I think this quote and reply is worth repeating for all the newcomers to the forum whether or not they have jumped into the active discussions. I have one of many possible examples to disputes Acesandates "feelings" -----------------------------
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Welcome Mined
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changedagain reposted On January 22, 2020 01:07AM Re:The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens a valuable post from Invisible () Date: October 16, 2013 12:34PM ---- --------------------------------------------------- > A post by 'Invisible' from October of 2013: > > Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John > Robert Stevens > Posted by: Invis
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thank you Firewalker. I think I understand what you are saying. So many thing bothered me for decades- so glad to get it out where ever I flashback. FYI My typing gets worse every year.
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I know that many families had donated family inheritance for the specific purpose of a nursing home. ( Designated funds.) I had called around for lawyers in Iowa but got no one so far interested in taking a case. Can you give me tips on the wording on where to find the correct legal avenue to pursue it, FireWalker of anyone?
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Welcome, FireWalker, I'm always thrilled to have another honest person add more pieces to this puzzle.
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Good one, typer () Date: January 20, 2020 02:03AM "I mean by "poop" all the poppy cock of man's religion and opinions to try and pry us from the loving arms of the One we love and who loves us."
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It is good to keep these things in mind, Firewalker, Reep, and Kbyne I'm going to go out on a limb again to state my experience with the leadership, again. I DID on a number of occasions tell the Bro about Mandatory reporting before 1983. I had my mandatory reporting certificates. I will swear on a bible that I told them. A number of the Bro are now dead. Pretty much they laughed me of
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Onion, I am so glad you shared about the Nazi techniques. it is right on target. About 8 years ago my daughter wrote a college paper on how the nazis used children in propaganda. Her paper really opened my eyes then lead me to continue to learn more as the same applies to how we were programmed step by step. I really had no idea how easy it was to be manipulated. Here the link to a disturbing
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I'm working long a hard on a personal blog post about the pre-walk days when I was growing up. I need some help from especially oldtimers out there who have memories of personal minstry in general. It is my belief, for now, that the early Personal Ministry was benign up until a certain point. My dad had said every 'ministry' we ever had. A few years back my sisters and I dumped
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Onion, I found something relevant in Woodrow Nicols writing on The Walk on page 57 which validates what I think you have pointed out. QuoteWoodrow Nichols JRS The Walk SUBMISSION: Is the accepting the control or authority of another, being obedient and compliant to those over you in the Lord. Ephesians 5:21 to 6:9 and Hebrews 13:17 teach the New Testament pattern for submission to divinely
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changedagain Wrote:changedagain () Date: January 10, 2020 04:32AM ------------------------------------------------------- > “We’ll have more in depth discussion at the > next meeting (Jan. 20) with the vision and > how that will carry out at that time,” Schlabaugh > said. “At the point, the developer will be public, > and they’ll share their vision.” > > I suspect o
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ChangedAgain in reply to January 14, 2020 07:18AM I walked out often during intersession, especially if my children were present. I thought the antics were crazy. LOL! I've always wondered just who taught the people to do the things they did during intercession. The prayers happened, but, maybe we all were "crazy" from gas-lighted fumes, carbon monoxide or tomato riping spray
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Litith wrote January 04, 2020: ..."harboring criminals and collaborators and they are cowards. And as far as the remaining churches reconstituting I hope that they realize that they are building on a foundation of disease and perversion, a shaky foundation at best." Exactly! I read about one state where they are prosecuting pastors from other churches for similar misconduct. One
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Reepicheep Wrote:January 08, 2020 10:41PM ------------------------------------------------------- > Typer, I agree that Martha Stevens was a good and > loving person. There was nothing wrong with her. > Her husband had a roving eye and didn't feel that > his ministry could survive a divorce. So what does > any self-respecting Apostle to the Kingdom do? > Tell people
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January 02, 2020 03:15PM Onion you wrote,"I heard some interesting information today that leads me to believe that the churches that have no shutdown, have also NOT changed their Bylaws. When asked, someone at one of the churches said there was no need to change the Bylaws. Which means... Gary Hargrave still has sole control as the Apostolic Fathering Ministry. I could be wrong. I will se
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Lilith Wrote:December 31, 2019 11:40PM ------------------------------------------------------- > I have in the past and currently refer to them as > the "Alcoholic company". I have no plans to > repent. Lilith and Changed: I 2nd that. I have no intention of repenting either for spitting out the truth in a number of cases that I all too often witnessed first hand. Funct
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Onion Wrote: December 31, 2019 05:04AM ------------------------------------------------------- > I just posted this on FaceBook but wanted to post > it here as well: > > I have posted over the previous year information > about the exposure of the church group I was > involved in for 40+ years. New people continue to > come forward with new stories and details of &g
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changedagain Wrote:December 22, 2019 01:33AM ------------------------------------------------------- > True, Cloudwatcher. It is sad. > > 'You’ll Worry Less About What People Think of > You When You Realize How Seldom They Do' > > This adage certainly applies to Hargrave. Even > when feigning concern and backing a gesture of > goodwill--such as the aut
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changedagain Wrote:Date: January 02, 2020 11:32AM ------------------------------------------------------- > Cloudwatcher Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Well, we've got each other's back here. And I as > far as I can tell, there is not one Judas > among us. I think I know where he can be found, > though :) Hol
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kBOY Wrote: December 19, 2019 11:31PM ------------------------------------------------------- > Speaking of 'fierce battle', one has to now wonder > if all the battle-cries for intercession, > especially in the JRS era, had nothing to do with > 'spiritual warfare' and everything to do with the > alcohol-laced deep guilt and depression over all > the in
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Reepicheep: "Wrong spirit" I think was "projection" and gas-lighting as they had us all chasing our tails. Smoke and mirrors illusions. Much like Shop-lifters who create a diversion over here so no one sees the shop-lifter, over there,is slipping a stereo under their coat. Makes me want to barf. I learned in The Walk to stop trusting my gut. And how about you? did you st
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Reep, you wrote December 16, 2019" Back in the days when hippies were joining the Walk, I heard that many had lived in hippie communes and knew that they had probably taken drugs. But I wrongly (?) assumed that when they came into the church, they had been delivered from past habits. I never knew about any ministries taking drugs either. That is still shocking to me, but I believe you."
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Hi Amos a year ago you asked "When you write that sexual impropriety is rampant is that based on rumors or on first hand evidence or witness testimony? December 2, 2018. December 04, 2018 Onion and you engaged more on the subject. Now that Shiloh contents have been auctioned and the building will be bulldozed there have been many more revelations come to light about sexual encounters a
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Reep thanks for the lnk" Reepicheep () Date: December 13, 2019 04:49AM "An interesting link regarding the phenomenon known as "cult-hopping". Forewarned is forearmed."
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