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5 years ago
TheJewel
Lamp -- I totally agree. Most of what we call "cultic" in TLW exists throughout Christendom in varying degrees. Unfortunately, a lot of this seems wired into human nature. Just look at the recent election -- we elected a demagogue.
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5 years ago
TheJewel
TheSarge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > From reading all this on mind control, hypnotic > worship, and ministerial oppression for power and > wealth, I see how the continued deep-seeded > damage for some who have been out for 20, 30 years > is completely valid. Why? I figured it out. > Jesus! > > Think about it! He started
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5 years ago
TheJewel
larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > .....that is back dropped against some > apocalyptic world view. They begin to use fear to > motivate followers, insisting the leader is the > only person with God-given insight to direct them > in the coming crisis. > Sounds like Donald Trump -- sorry, I couldn't resis
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5 years ago
TheJewel
LittleBird Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hello. I'm another ex-member, first-time posting > here. I was born into the group, after JRS died. > Anyone from the San Diego church here? I am from San Diego (mostly the South Bay, Coniah group). Unfortunately (or maybe "fortunately") I bailed out about 30 years ago. So I am only good
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5 years ago
TheJewel
Apostle Dog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My own belief on it all, is no matter what JRS > thought, or anybody else thinks, I personally > think we are all going to find out what is what > pretty soon. I go right to the bible now days and > it seems to me the book of Revelation is pretty > much matching the news, or the real news, the ne
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5 years ago
TheJewel
Apostle Dog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Mumford and Derik Prince repented of and > distanced themselves from the shepherds movement > in the early 1980s, when did the Hargraves pick it > up? Below, you can pull it up and read all about > it. They just modeled their thing after something > that was already pretty much tried and re
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5 years ago
TheJewel
FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I made it through the first one third of the > article about the Nephilim. Good Lord. It gets > too complicated, too many references, too much > spin, so easy to justify hate and division. > It’s mental illness as previously stated. When > things start to stray from the simplicity God > intende
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5 years ago
TheJewel
FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Will TLWF become a church without boundaries? > Associating, accepting, regarding as equal and > understanding as relevant the differing aspects of > God manifested in each individual on planet Earth? > Instead of thinking about ruling and reigning, > will they settle for being a team member among th
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5 years ago
TheJewel
> K boy, > > I count 12 passages in the Bible that mention Holy > Books that are found in Heaven. I know the Bible > doesn't resonate with you like it does with me so > we agree to disagree if the Bible is true, but Mr. > Ross has said this isn't the place for debating > the veracity of the Bible except as to the way > Bible based cults twist the scri
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5 years ago
TheJewel
Apostle Dog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Vain Glory was not all that good. One of the > things that was weird to me about that, was this > dude saying that John Stevens ordered pastors to > sleep with women in the church. That is a bunch > of crap. Some of it was OK some of it was hype. > Also to me if this was supposed to be about a
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5 years ago
TheJewel
Apostle Dog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well whichever is worse, the Walk or the > Catholics, Gary wants to join them together. Yea, that was what inspired my original comment -- perhaps they are a logical match. I want to make one thing clear, some of the most spiritual and committed Christian believers, I have met, I met in TLW. The thing ma
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5 years ago
TheJewel
Cloudwatcher Wrote: > > The Catholic religion is mainstream and > historical. The only danger it poses is in the > form of "perverts". I never heard of anyone from > catholism having to keep their mouths shut and > that the only place they can communicate is on a > private anonymous discussion board. > > The rules of excommunication in the Cathol
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5 years ago
TheJewel
Apostle Dog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Wow this thing must be out of order again. I know > somebody must have posted something in the last > few days. > > I will try this one more time. The reason the > Walk was so messed up is they thought that the > leader was Christ's representative on Earth and > that he could not
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5 years ago
TheJewel
LampShmamp Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Gary should use that gift of tongues he loves so > much for preaching in Portuguese. Haaa... really good point. Another indication that perhaps a good deal of this Pentecostal stuff is pure bunk. If God did that 2k years ago, why can't he do it now? Why doesn't he do it now? One of the things I a
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5 years ago
TheJewel
kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Trumped up endorsements from the religious > 'wrong': > > "Donald Trump is a Christian Leader. South > Carolina and the GOP Just Said So." > > That is just about the best description of what is going on in today's Christianity I have ever read. I tried to say this wit
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5 years ago
TheJewel
Invisible -- Yea, that is pretty much how I remember it as well. Thanks for the detailed clarification. It was definitely a situation of "what you could afford" in terms of the tapes. I remember having a "4 star" subscription at one point or another. If you decided to take everything available, it was a lot of money. The tape libraries were very useful in that regard
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5 years ago
TheJewel
I remember when you had to have a TLW "security clearance" of sorts to be able to get "restricted" tapes (or to check them out of the tape libraries). I can imagine now days getting e-mails from these guys that are "redacted" like from the CIA.
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5 years ago
TheJewel
Yep, I can see it now, the janitorial staff undergoing hazmat training to learn the proper handling and disposal of ectoplasm.
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5 years ago
TheJewel
Unapologetic Apologetic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can say this is correct Changedagain and Larry > Bobo. I have heard several of Gary's CD's where he > is saying this, and it will be "status quo" with > the church moving forward under both he and > Marilyn working together. > > Kinda scary. Wow, this th
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5 years ago
TheJewel
Debra -- Thanks for the post. It sounds like you discovered a bit of the same thing that I have discovered (which prompted my earlier "P" word comment that drew some fire for some reason). I don't understand why I need to be "converted" or why I have to believe a certain way even if it is the "accepted mainstream way". I have never really understood why
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5 years ago
TheJewel
I think some of the disappointment being expressed by many stems from the fact that many of us came into TLW with the hope or belief that we have finally found “the real deal”, only to be ultimately disappointed when we discovered that it really was “the same ole, same ole” just with somewhat different packaging. That’s more or less how I look at it anyway. I decided to Google “John Robert St
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5 years ago
TheJewel
Lily -- Wow, must have struck a nerve I guess. Sorry. Perhaps I could have had said a bit more simply, I have no interest in leaving one “cult” just to join another one. And, hopefully, you agree that there are a lot of opportunities out there to do just that, many of these just as “Christian” looking (many even more so) than TLW. Yes, I have some very strong opinions regarding what
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5 years ago
TheJewel
Apostle Dog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TheJewel thanks for that link, there are several > of those "debunking" videos that are very > interesting, I have watched a few of them. > > I think God would probably really pour His Spirit > out in a great way if these charismatics would > stop faking it so much. I guess past
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5 years ago
TheJewel
AD -- It sort of went like this: Some “ministry” would have you up on the platform with their hands on your head and the “Lord” would show them things (supposedly). This was one of my first experiences when I came to a service. There was a visiting pastor; Harold Williams, who I really thought told me a lot of things he couldn't have possibly known. However, looking back, most of it w
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5 years ago
TheJewel
Jan -- I remember you by name but can't tie a face to it al these years. I married one of those "old order" (Nazarene in this case) girls from outside The Walk. RD and company seemed OK with it, but they never put me up in front of "the old man" for a check out (thank God for small favors, I guess). For me it was the best decision I ever made, still married. That
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5 years ago
TheJewel
FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I lived in the basement of the Honolulu Church > when it was on Young Street on weekends in the > early 1970’s. Bill Arnold senior was married to > Mary Arnold (Stevens) – JRS’s sister. There > were two sons and a daughter. Billy Joe, Rick and > Ruth. If I remember correctly, Billy Joe had just &g
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5 years ago
TheJewel
FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The following are names that I thought were part > of the Apostolic Company: Fred Bickhart, Bill > Arnold, R.D. Cronquist, Vere Thomas, Howard Klein, > JRS, Bill Mabey, Harold Williams and perhaps Mel > Bailey. > That list seems right. I think Mel Bailey was one as well. Does anyone know what ha
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5 years ago
TheJewel
AD - The only ones to whom I was close enough to form an opinion were RD Cronquist and Dave Cokas. As I said, the former scared the crap out of me and the latter, I had a lot of respect for. I See Dave is running what looks to be the old Casa D'Oro church (or at least something in the same area). Hope all is well there. I hung out with Dave before he was part of the Walk and I know th
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5 years ago
TheJewel
I am pretty sure that I heard RD Cronquist refer to himself as an Apostle at one time or another. Not sure what the qualifications are for that designation (In Walk parlance anyway). He ultimately pulled out of the group at some point in the late 70's. He tried to hang onto the physical plant at Coniah (locked us all out of the building, changed the locks, etc. at one point). The prop
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5 years ago
TheJewel
Well I finally completed reading the Woodrow Nichols paper which was very interesting. He has done a lot of research and put together a real nice history of not only TLW but Pentecostalism and the Latter Rain movement as well. I find it interesting that there is so much discussion of witches and witchcraft. I knew JRS had a really comprehensive library on the occult (I had heard that from RD
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