Pbxguy, I am also one that thinks that JRS was no fraud, I know there are frauds on Christian television that made up their character they are playing while in college, so frauds are not stranger to Christianity, even accepted Christianity, but I do not believe that JRS was a fraud. I know for certain that he had the same character flaws as the rest of us, I mean he had his particular flaws, he
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There may not be any justice in this world for the leaders of Living Word Fellowship, Hargrave may well drain every cent of those that are still in it, and as far as this life, get away with it. But he is going to face a judgement that he may not anticipate, and Marilyn too. That is something they are not going to talk their way out of.
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I have my opinion of how Hargrave knew that it would be a "family" thing. I can't post this on a public forum, but I will tell anyone that wants to know in PM. I will say that I am pretty sure that Gary and Marilyn anticipated the death of John Robert Stevens, in fact, I think they anticipated it like a kid would anticipate Christmas. changedagain Wrote: --------------
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That is very true kBOY. What attracted me to the Living Word Fellowship in the beginning was by misconception that the Walk did not have the games that I assumed were in all the Babylon churches. I hung out with the leaders of the churches in my area of the country, and it was all pretty much on the up and up. I mean, many of the elders got drunk pretty regularly, but we did it right in front of
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That is a shame that it turned out to be a self fulfilling prophesy. John himself certainly set things up to make that happen. However, that is the way it goes, he had no idea what sort of woman he was going to fall for, and he had no idea what sort of man Gary Hargrave was. John's problem was that he was swayed by the adoration, both of them, Gary and Marilyn both knew how to make him feel
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CHANGEDAGAIN, If you are not the Easter Bunny, then who the hell are you??????
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All this talk about visitations from all these dead folks. Wow, it just entered my mind, wouldn't it be bad to get a visitation from Marilyn.... I am gonna hang some garlic up, apply the Blood of Christ, and hang crosses and crucifixes all over the house. I wouldn't mind JRS visiting, or John Dillinger, or maybe even Crazy Horse, but NOT MARILYN. DAM. that would be bad. A live Marilyn
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A little Nephilim music. I just wanted you all to know I could spell it.,
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Well I don't know about this guy yet, I am sure gonna check out that website, and I appreciate you putting the link on here. But just focusing on the one statement about JRS perhaps knowing the Walk had gone off course, personally I don't see how, IF JRS was not a total idiot, completely blinded by the adoration and worship he was receiving, He MUST have known the Walk had gone off cou
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Well, they made such a big deal of "preserving the word," OK, if that word is the Kingdom word, I mean THE WORD, that has to go to the ends of the world before the end comes, and the Kingdom comes forth on Earth as it is in Heaven, ' My QUESTION TO LIVING WORD IS WHY DON'T YOU PUT IT ON THE INTERNET. It is very cheap
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At the end of the first paragraph, insert: THAT YOU WOULD SOMEDAY, GROW INTO THAT PLACE YOURSELF. We all thought that we would grow into a place ourselves that our leaders had obtained. That is the natural progression in a real church, that you grow into the place your teacher occupies, after all that is the whole purposes of ministry, that you bring those you minister to, into the level you
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The whole thing about Living Word, like it is with any of this type of scam, is to make God look more human, and make humans more like God. It's the whole "hath God said" thing, has God said not to take of this fruit, because when you take of it you will die? And then the pitch, "you will not die, but you will become like God" See, that is the pitch, the hint is ther
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We are the most viewed and discussed cult of all of them. And that makes sense to me, considering that we really always should have been known as the TALK instead of the WALK. After all, we were called the Living WORD. It was all about the WORD, what was the WORD this week that we were going to TALK about. Yea, it makes sense to me. We are the most famous and we should be, because we are the
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I have read that pretty carefully, the book of Joel, and it is pretty hard for me to see all that as any end time superhero apostles and prophets that are taking over the world for A- to give it to Christ when He returns, or B- to rule the world forever with a rod of iron, because these apostles and prophets are the only physical Christ the world will ever see. I know people, old Living Worders
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You know of course, when that fire was transformed into soothing rain, the rain is a sign of John's parousia. changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Just want everyone to know that I am fine. I > did stand in His presence, albeit very > briefly. As He started to burn me up, I > immediately promised to end my withdrawal, and >
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It don't surprise me Lily Rose, I have always been suspicious about Changedagain, I think there was a little bit of rebellion there a along. You know how it is with rebellion, it's like the sin of witchcraft. Witchcraft is OK, but being LIKE the sin of witchcraft, now that is something else entirely.
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Speaking of the "nephlelim" (however you spell it I never get it right ) but speaking of them, I remember going to a church that had a sweatshop Kingdom business that was a bookstore. The pastor of the place wrote a lot of stuff and printed it and all that, anyway, he got a little writers block or whatever and went in and told the lady that did the printing that she was a neph and was
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I think it is amazing how the Walk went full circle. I wonder if JRS were to wake up and see what he married and what he put in charge of all that he worked to build all his life, I would love to see his face knowing that those two supported the Pope, a socialist Pope, a Pope that calls for a one world religion that includes all of Christianity and Islam as well as all other religions, I would li
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I want to tell you guys that I appreciate all the prayers,,,, that said, i have something you need to know, anybody that is putting off going to get checkups, my wife was seeing up to four different chirapractors in the time that she was dying of cancer, finally one of them looked at an MRI and told her to get to a doctor. But three of them that were adjusting her, or using one of those stupid l
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I predict that as Hargrave finally gets out of the picture, and if he doesn't somehow get all the assets liquidated and in his bank account, if there is a church left after he finally leaves, I predict that it will evolve more and more into a typical on half the corners in America Charismatic church. That's pretty much all it was all along, except for the hype the leaders put out about
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I think some of these "WANNA BE CHRISTS IN THE EARTH" would thin out pretty fast if they had to undergo crucifixion as an initiation. > Alright Cloudwatcher, ha ha doing your thing, > taking a shot at it. > > John Robert Stevens, "The Right to Become,"THIS > WEEK Jan 16, 1977: > > The Lord puts you through a process that will > bring you i
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Something entered my mind today, and I decided to come back a little early to make one post. If the living Word Fellowship believes they have the Gospel of the Kingdom, then they should do anything they can do to see that they get it out to the world. Jesus said that when the Gospel gets all over the world, then the end (of this age) will come." There are lots of ministries that put
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Last night I stayed with my wife at the hospital. We made peace about lots of things, she was really going down hill the whole night, till this morning I witnessed that was not going to make it. I watched as her presence so to speak left her. She was transferred to the intensive care unit this morning about noon, and she passed away just a just before 9:00 pm tonight. There is an old s
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I hope you guys have lots of Old JRS stuff laying around. I don't have anything. i would love to read lots of the stuff to see if it makes any sense after all this time. I told you in a post a while back about the tape "And the Word was God" it is on the Living Word Website named something like The Teachings of John Robert Stevens. In that one i was shocked that i never saw so
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Well Bishop Hargrave, let's all get together and pray for Father Fransescca,,,, here it is, on his watch............
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This book is great. It came today, and I gotta tell you that it came at the right time, I was depressed and miserable, but I just ordered it a day or two ago, the Cloud Break book. From the part that I read so far this is a awesome writer. It makes me feel good to know when the younger generation under us did well. The timing of that book is right about the time that I was in the church. I got i
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Wow, what is it, like 50 years or more, these guys are holding onto a prophesy that they are going to begin to love one another? I really don't think there is much hope for these people. They don't seem to have a brain cell between them. Sorry but this is discouraging to me. I wish that the people would escape, at least the children of people that are leaving or have left, if the
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kBOY I think you are right. The funny thing is, when when their very human substitute deities fail miserably, they get madder and madder at the real God while they make excuses for their idols. kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A.D. > > Mankind, as a whole, seems to prefer a Moses to > climb the mountain for them, or to sit at the feet &g
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i left out a word,, the Lord IMPRESSED a friend of mine to walk around the church 7 times....
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To add to that last post. I started out talking about some of the evil that the leaders of some of these "traditional" churches were doing. I was in one of them, it was also a sort of latter rain/charismatic type church. The leader there turned out to be sleeping with several of the women, one of them found out about the other ones and broke the whole thing lose. 12,000 members dwindle
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