I haven't read either of those books.
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larry bobo wrote: "It reminded me of Francis Frangipane going to John and then Apco about John’s inappropriate relationship with Marilyn while still married to Martha, and then finding himself removed from the fellowship for questioning “God”. My reply: WHAT? This is the first I've heard of this. WOW!
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changedagain wrote: “No surprise--the perpetrators often position themselves as victims.” and "I.'m hearing that the L.W. members are being told that Marilyn is under a vicious attack of hatred from ex-members and this is why she is ill." Genesis: The man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate." Then the LORD God said to
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I thought the downward spiral began with removing Larry M. from his place along side JRS. I never understood what was taking place during that time frame. Secret/special meetings at the Blix house, interventions with the 3rd generation, and everyone trying to fit in and find their place. Oh well.
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Thanks Invisible. Invisible posted: "...Easy to understand, simple and clear and without any confusion is this that is written of Jesus,..." 2 Corinthians 11:3 "...But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. Invisible: "They build one another up in to belie
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Invisible wrote: "If we are really honest with our selves - no one forced any one to serve Gary in the ministry. Every person who is serving or has served Gary in the ministry - chose to serve or to give their lives and to live their lives' in serving Gary's will. All these men -still have free wills - because this is what God gave to all men. In reality they are really free even i
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My mother died of cancer--my father of > complications related to diabetes. My only > brother, a drug abuser, disappeared in the streets > when he was 40 (around 1990). An exhaustive search > turned up nothing. And one of my closest > shepherd-friends (John Mahon, from my time in > Redlands
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I recently learned just how total and evil the > things that Gary did to Bob were. It was > shocking. Gary basically robbed Bob. Then he > turns around and speaks ill of him after he died. > What kind of a person does this kind of stuff? > And no one was more given than Bob. He gave his >
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Larry/FCSLC: Fond memories. I have pictures from Chico Camp. I also remember an announcemnt not to leave the camp premises so we headed off to Lassen National Park. What a great time.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > FCSLC Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I went to the church camp in Chico, CA back in > the > > 1970’s. There were many crazy, diverse > people > > in the “Walk” in those days. It was fun. > > Interesting...do you remember if any
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > paleface wrote: “They need all the people they > can get now.” > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > Are they accepting “free spirited > individuals,” who refuse to submit, agree or pay > homage; but are willing to pay tithes strictly for > the group social benefits? > > (Like most normal churches)
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > By the way, the condition of an "unequal yoke" as > defined in the Living Word, is when one spouse is > more loyal to Marilyn than the other. It's > nothing else. I agree. You have to acknowledge the humility in the Apostle Pauls word's "But though we, or an angel from heaven,
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We can read in Matthew 19 concerning what the Lord Jesus says about marriage and divorce. I remember hearing a word jrs brought titled, "What will it be like to be married in the kingdom."(something like that) where he says we (tlwf) do not believe in divorce,it is sin, but the reality is that it happens.The grace of Christ still applies and those who divorce can find forgiveness, like
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > paleface Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Do you recall Jesus ever teaching about the > "upward > > flow principle" that Gary and Marilyn Hargrave > teach? > > Matthew 19:21: > Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be comp
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mel Bailey passed away recently. He was a pastor > at the Church of His Holy Presence in Anaheim. He > worked to support himself until the day he died > (mid to late 80’s in age I was told). 90/10 > rule, trickle down (not), always upward whatever > ------ the goods always stay at the top. Acts 2
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes, there has always been a hubris at the Living > Word. They think of themselves as the "Green > Berets" of the Christian World. The ones on the > front line. The ones making it all happen. The > ones blazing the new trail in the spirit. They > just hope someday, someone will take not
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The pope is just the "flavor of the month". We could make a list of all the "prophetic" fails tlwc aka the walk aka ctlw aka "this thing" has experienced. Here are just a few: The silver mine.Gathering wheat and honey for survival. (Yep, I went along to get along with that one).The little people, Joels Army,and the third generation. Also wasn't R,S,& R su
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> >...Which reminds me...I think the best question ever > posed to John was this one, uttered by Happy > Clark: > 'If you are not the Christ, then WHO THE HELL ARE > YOU?' I was at that service when he yelled that out. I just hung my head and smiled.
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SLC stands for Salt Lake City, Utah. There was a > “Church of the Living Word” in Salt Lake City, > Utah named “Faith Chapel” from the late > 1960’s to the mid 1980’s. > > The original pastors were Herman Maxwell and > Harold Bailey. Other pastors of note were: > Bowman Littleton, Eddy Tayl
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Testing one two three. Anybody here? Reading you loud and clear. Can someone tell me what "slc" stands for?
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I remember, after JRS died, Gary said on a taped word that it was essentially over for John back in 1974 (I think that was the year he said), but they needed to keep the people busy so they came up with the unending intersession for him. Thanks Gary, I didn't realize you were in charge of our lives. My prediciton: Gary and Mare move to Europe saying the Lord wants them to do in Europe wha
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I've been reading with interest the posts presented here. We relate and write according to our experience. The things we have been posting about are not unique to us who used to be part of the Living Word Fellowship. School of Prophets? Shiloh? Apostolic Company? These are not new to the world, only new to our experience. You can find many references that journey back many years concerning t
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QuoteChaos1952Well, here is one for everybody to think about, maybe write what you used to think of this and what you think of it now that you have left the Walk. Maybe people that are reading here that have not left the Walk would comment, as I don't know what they are teaching now, maybe some here know what they are teaching now or if they are teaching anything on the subject. What d
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QuoteChanged4meI remember when M started designating the wife as the spiritual leader of a marriage and that husbands were to submit themselves unto their wife. I remember the date, time, place where it happened to me. Part of the"pitch" to accept this was M telling my wife and I that she chose us because we were strong and could handle it.... once again it gave us the feeling of havi
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QuotepalefaceThe Living Word claims it's purpose is to publish and preserve John's teachings. However, like a lot of organizations, if you look at their actions and where their money and labor is spent. it will reveal their true mission. In the case of the LW, it appears that acquiring real estate is on the hidden agenda of the leadership. In the Valley, houses in the neighborhood ar
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Acts 5:38 "And so now I tell you: Stay away from these men, and leave them alone. If their plan comes from human authority, it will fail. 39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop them. You might even be fighting against God himself!” I believe i can say with certainty tlwf is from man. It's just taking awhile to fail completely.
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QuotejhorningQuotepalefaceThe Living Word has a church in San Diego called the Church of His Kingdom. It is led by Bruce Larsen and Gilee Larson. There are reports of spiritual, emotional and mental abuse being conducted on the church members by Gilee Larson. She has been designated as the representative of Marilyn Hargrave in this church and she is swinging a big stick. Families have been tor
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QuotepalefaceThe Living Word has a church in San Diego called the Church of His Kingdom. It is led by Bruce Larsen and Gilee Larson. There are reports of spiritual, emotional and mental abuse being conducted on the church members by Gilee Larson. She has been designated as the representative of Marilyn Hargrave in this church and she is swinging a big stick. Families have been torn apart. Mar
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"To my surprise, they were a wonderful, outgoing, physically healthy community – just had multiple wives, some of which were pretty young." Sorry Larry, I'm not buying it. How many wonderful, outgoing, physically healthy people are on a road towards destruction. Leaders can isolate because they are allowed to do so. Each person will be held accountable. Remember back in the gard
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I remember both Damon Davis and Rocky Cowie(sp?). I recall having communion one sunday with wine that Damon made. It tasted the way turpintine smelled. Was it Damon or Rocky that lived in a teepee across the street from the valley church? What gets me the most about tlwf is their premeditated misuse of the past and the way they mislead the public concerning the present. For example. When you r
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