Yes, yassssss, yikes... And imagine this stuff fading into a subtle, ragged edge where it's just ever-so-slightly detectable and yet repugnant enough to send you screaming from the room. I could list a number of examples from real life but the one that sticks in my memory is the one in Pressman's book about the "trainer" who died unexpectedly. Upon hearing the news, Werner
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QuoteRswinters I have a feeling it is the same in each and ever LGAT company. Yep. Amazing how similar they all are. Cookie-cutter, as a matter of fact. They must all be afraid to stray too far from the original formula. It must be an incredibly lucrative business to have spawned so many imitations. QuoteKlemmer says it purpose is to build ethical leaders with no one left behind. LOL
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Hi Maurice, That "disconnect" policy comes from scientology, which they all copied, I reckon. Apart from that, one of the defining characteristics of a cult is whether or not they practice "shunning." This is ancient and probably goes back to some primitive family or tribal times when ostracism could easily mean death. The cults know this. They know what an effective te
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QuoteSteve989 My mother called me at work and told me that girls were very happy as their mother told them that 'we were getting back together" and were going to be a family again. Of course I was not happy about that as I do not want to rush/return to another relationship with a woman who has lost part of her mind to a group like this and not having the fortitude to see this for w
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Hi Steve, I'd say unless and until she can articulate how and why she was harmed by this group and her involvement with them, I wouldn't let her near me. Rescuing her will save her from having to face the destruction and the humiliation that may give her the impetus to deprogram herself. If you've read through some of the long and involved ordeals that most have gone through to
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Quotelanajae Have you seen the documentary called "Language Does Not Lie?" It's often on Sundance Channel and is about how the Nazis changed language for programming. It's very interesting because they started by taking words used for mechancial functions and changed them to organic/human function. No. Sounds good. One thing thing that sort of sets narcissists ap
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...Here's an example of what I was referring to earlier. It's a link to a thread in which Guy tackles a particularly obstinate Landmark "fan," JackSF and you can get an idea of what I mean. GC's posts are gone but you can infer something of their content from the responses. Ellen
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QuoteJack Oskar LarmEllen, just the tonic! You know this should be in print, don't you? With your permission, I might print off a few and read them on the train! Keep up the good work... :lol: Thanks Jack! You're welcome to them. Pass them around to any Landmarkers you know if you think it will do any good. Ellen
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There were a couple of posters here a while back who had been Landmark employees. They used Landmark against the Landmark defenders in ways none of us outsiders or mere followers could ever do -- in other words, they used it as a weapon in the same way I imagine it's used inside the cult. They were both a hoot, and very, very wise to the ways the manipulation can destroy people. Good guys
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Quoteskeptic Re ellen's post, damn, it sickens me now to remember all the implanted nonsensical, but cool-sounding I thought, new-age/lgat jargon I loaded my language with, for years! I am still purging those words. I have to intentionally substitute and avoid using them. I HATE THEM. They are so phoney, haughty and sickening. Yes, they ruined some perfectly good words. Any othe
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QuotenutrinoThere a couple of things you need to "get" LOL... And I thought it had something to do with his nit-picky fixation on perfectly lined-up pencils and exactly-spaced chairs. (Not to mention the stripe of squeezed toothpaste, geometric arrangement of toilet articles, and amount of pulp in his orange juice.) Now that you point it out, I do recall the "impeccab
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Quotelanajae Well, my initial post is over 2-1/2 years old. We've seen glimmers of the person we once knew less than a handful of times, and as far as we know, he hasn't attended any Landmark classes in more than a year, maybe much longer. I don't think he'll ever be himself again. There's a reason Conway and Siegelman called it "America's Sudden Epid
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QuoteAlex_RushYour letter is very much on target and very well written. But if you think you can't reach your friend, think about where he's at. You can do Landmark. learn things about yourself and figure it was very good to do it and not get hard core about it, but still mistakenly think they're a pretty impeccable organization. If you come at somebody like that who likes Land
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Quotenettie She also told me that when coming back from some intense training he shifted between two roles and he didn't seem to have control of the process. That of course scared the s-t out of her. She also told me that for futrure forumleaders they will assign 4-5 forumleaders to keep an eye on the prospect. She said it was like having landmark in every corner of their life; in
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QuotenettieI met with a lady who was once married to a forum leader wannabe. They both were heavily involved in Landmark. When he was on the way of becoming a forum leader she had to flee their house because she was getting more and more scared of him. He said to her at one time - and this I heard her saying to me face to face. "if it wasn't for Landmark I would kill you"
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QuotenettieThanks for your sympathy and your care. I think that I already have forgiven myself - I know I was used by them. :evil: I wonder what inner boundary you must cross to go all the way to the top and become a forum leader. :? LOL... You'd have to turn into a sociopath. You'd have to develop a sense of entitlement. You'd have to enjoy the thrill of lording
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Quotenettie Let me point out a few good things I learn; - to speak in public (learn in the ILP) - how to really listen to people - how to keep promises (that was also used against me when I had agreed to some Landmark activity that I really didn't have time for) - how to let people be as they are without judging them (but the would be really ok only if they then signed up for the Fo
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Here is the first rule of the con: "Use the mark against himself." That's how they do it. They couldn't convince a bad person that it was important to ~keep your agreements~ or maintain your integrity. They use what's best about good people and then twist it into their own agenda. The sociopaths who designed and who lead groups like Landmark just laugh at this st
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Quoteskeptic Hahaha, Ellen, excellent!!!!!!!!!! Thanks. It gets funnier, in my opinion, towards the end -- #39, if you make it that far. Ellen
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QuoteRswinters I am choosing to stay within my integrity. I agreed not to disclose what is done in Klemmer seminars, and only share what I experienced in them. Nice trick, isn't it? That these people, who are in fact a sort of psycho-criminal syndicate, are able to link your integrity with their ability to continue their slimy business because few will ever speak out or expose them.
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Perhaps it would be easier to see the danger in cult logic and cult thinking looking through the silliness window: I wrote this a while back on alt.fan.landmark in a fit of pique. Someone said it was my best work. Ellen
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Quotemsluyter Now, a truly objective view of the effects of Landmark would be a long term study of a group of participants by trained social psychologists. I believe such a study has been done of LGATs generally, and the results were largely that while those who'd done the training reported self-improvement, outside observers did not, or at least, not to the same extent. In other words,
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Oh just smell the scientology: "...Transformation is foremost a continuing process that does not have an end point. It is meant to create or anticipate the future. Transformation is meant to deal with the co-evolution of concepts, processes, organizations and technology. Change in any one of these areas necessitates change in all. Transformation is meant to create new competitive areas
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...And let's not forget Rummy's ~Transformation~ warfare: (I wonder if he'd just "graduated" and was still in thrall of certain words and concepts when he came up with this one.) Ellen (A lot of Landmark insiders suspect he's done the program, though no one has come up with any published proof yet.)
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...And by that I mean the ~create your own reality,~ subjective, solipsistic validation, and ~no negativity~ stuff that gets passed around as enlightenment and superior wisdom. If the following isn't an example of this type of mentality, taken to the highest positions of authority, I don't know what is. Speculation has existed since his "don't know what you don't know&q
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Mind Dynamics was successfully brought down in 1973: ... Investigated for fraud, practicing medicine without a license In December 1972[29], Mind Dynamics was investigated for practicing medicine without a license, and fraudulent representation of the potential benefits of participating in their coursework.[9][30][2][31] The company was also investigated by the state of California fo
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QuotemauriceQuoteelena Landmarkers bragged at one point about New Zealand being the first ~transformed~ country. Ellen They still do! what's that supposed to mean? What happened in New Zealand? God -- I hate to imagine. A beautiful country ruined by thousands and thousands of these silly cult members spreading this stupid stuff around. Makes me sick. Certain cults target certain
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QuoteRswintersFrom what I gathered by looking up most of the LGAT's that there seems to be more of them in California. The current crop of "transformational," "self-improvement," or "personal-development" cults trace their roots back to Mind Dynamics (Alexander Everett from England), Silva Mind Control (Jose Silva from Texas), and scientology (L. Ron Hubbard
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Quoterrmoderator He wants to believe in Emerald City and has paid for parking there. LOL... I'm all for sewing seeds. Even the most thoroughly programmed retain a couple of functioning synapses of imagination. At some low point, when the doubts start knocking on the door, he may remember where the keys are. Even if he never does, someone else reading who has followed the cult l
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QuotepragmatistHey skeptic - is being here not a different choice than staying in the LGAT? So who programmed you to come to culteducation.com and share? Is it the same or a different person who programmed you to go to the LGAT (no pun intended)? I'm not being sarcastic - just curious as to why you think you had your free will taken away from you, if you don't mind telling us...
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