QuotelucieI had no idea that Landmark was being looked into now, but i am very happy that is the case. I attended the landmark forum in February this year and their advanced course in May. After experiencing a mental breakdown in 2004/2005, a friend of mine encouraged me to do the Landmark forum and initially i felt, like most people after doing a landmark seminar, euphoric about the coaching and
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You can get it at the Landmark website but you have to sign up and give them your email address. I copied it from somewhere a while back. I believe it's been posted here and other places before. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notices - Page 2 Notice of Important Information, Health Warnings, and Legal Agreements 1. We are
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Quotenutrino Remember one thing... they are a business. As a business they have a strong proprietary interest in "what sells". They take their market research into "what sells" and repackage this (or "reframe" it) as "what works".... Is that cynical marketing, or simply good profit maximizing ? Both, I would venture. It's an opportuni
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Of course they wouldn't call on someone who might fight back, know more than they do, or make the "trainer" look bad. They'd rather pick on some unaware sad-sack they can ream out in front of the audience and use as an example to "make their point." Thanks for writing. I'm curious; was your wife required to do this thing? Is her boss a Landmark "f
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QuotegodscribeDear all: As a regular reader of Ms. Marble's work, I can attest that the big deal you all are making about this column is unwarranted. If any of you read this writer on a regular baiss - and it is obvious from your posts that you do not - you would understand the point of her columns. She writes personal essays (i.e. the first-person "egocentric" tone - I don't
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QuoteLaura Marble Overall, the Landmark Forum was, for me, a fun and positive experience. My opinion piece was reflective of that. Having said that, I did mention to my editor on Friday that it probably would have been useful if I'd let people know somewhere in the essay (briefly) that I'd read up on the forum, knew about its controversial nature, and decided to go, anyway. Hi Laura
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QuoteLaura MarbleHi, I'm Laura Marble, the one who wrote the column. I thought you might appreciate the chance to talk with me directly, as that's generally more illuminating than having to make inferences. I don't think you have me quite figured out, and that's interesting to me in an anthropological sort of way. I'd like to join in, if that's OK. Laura Ge
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QuoteExcalibur Thanks for clarifying that Sonnie_dee. I read somewhere that Landmark offers the forum free to police and fire fighters - it may have been from the old "No Landmark" website that unfortunately disappeared about 2 years ago. That was a very useful and informative site. I posted some of the pages to alt.fan.landmark, which you can find by searching "NoLandmark&qu
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Quotesonnie_deeexcaliber that is not quite accurate, each centre manager has discretion to give out "scholarships" and after 9/11 they offered New York police and fire fighters free tuition. It is not a global policy to give police and fire fighters free tuition. However like you say it is very good way of free advertising Hmmmmm... I think Landmarkers learned that one from
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...Reminiscent of Marcia Seligson's ~conversion~ from skeptic to believer in 1974. She initially thought the thing smelled like "Hitler and the 'jugen,' mass hypnosis, the Messiah, mystical cultism, Elmer Gantry, Charles Manson and his army of idolizing murder machines. It didn't seem just cuckoo, it seemed goddamned dangerous." The brainwash affected her and she
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QuotedzigntankQuote Landmark does have a pretty horrible history. the same could be said about races. What? Horse races? Foot races? Political races? What's your point dzigntank? Anybody can say anything. So what? In order to evaluate a statement, an assertion, or a proposition, you need a functioning brain -- one that does not turn away from the negative, derision, scept
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QuoteilonaThank you! That was very interesting to read. My cousin left a voice message for me the other day letting me know of new dates for the course. Then, left another vm today letting me know my aunts are continuing on and everyone would like to see me there. I need to call her today and tell her I won't be joining them. One of the cult criteria that Landmark and similar copy
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yeayyyy! You're back. (Wuz wondering where you'd gone to.) You are probably referring to the thing the scientologists do when they make their (supposedly) most terrible threat: "I could disappear you with a thought." Ellen
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QuoteThe Anticult Its sad to see someone buy into the garbage philosophy of Werner Erhard, the idea that our relationships, or anything else, actually don't have any intrinsic meaning. Victor Frankl put together a philosophy that allows a person to reprocess the meaning of events, that has a superficial similarity to the above concept. But Frankl did it in a very humanistic and responsible
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QuoteMy Ex GirlfriendAs for your opinions on Landmark, very strong & very full of you being adamant that YOUR opinion is the right one, don't you see the hypocrisy & a little arrogance in that?... (not a criticism, just a question, worth looking into). I do understand how you might feel that way though, I had a similar (more mild, but similar) story for the last 12 years.. No
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Quotesonnie_dee the staff often spend the day after a course calling participants getting them registered to meet stats other wise its painful to go through a "integrity check" of why the centre failed. Hi Sonnie, Dollars to do-nuts an "integrity check" is the Landmark version of a scientology "sec-check," which scientologists dread to the point of censori
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QuoteAresCassellOK, i realize that i am going to accused of being a troll or a heckler, but i am very serious about what i am about to say. The more i look into it, christianity seems very much like a widely accepted cult. Here's why: 1. Cults are always actively and aggressively trying to recruit new members. Christianity always tries to proselytize. Even to such an extent that they send
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Good point... Between his "family" trying to capture him at the beginning and the scientologists pursuing him at the end, he makes it out that he's the ~victim~ which, according to Landmark/est dogma, is a BIG no-no. I wonder how his insiders reconciled this with their "official" stance? What he did and does fail to recognize is that he WAS the victim all along -
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QuoteMadshusI think the most revealing piece of dialogue in this interview is when 'Werner' says the following... "The truth is Barbara that sixteen years ago I left my family..." Wow. What a man (not). Ever hear of a thing called responsibility and committment Jack? He may be rich, but he is lost. Lost? He's a sociopath. He'll never feel any pain
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Yuck. Double yuck. In 1976 Werner Erhard was at the top of his game, literally and figuratively. He must have been well and truly stunned at his own power over people and ability to persuade them that all his cockamamie bullshit was worth paying for. He must have, at some point, started believing his own lies -- though it was a brief honeymoon before reality (the real one) hit him in th
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Nice move, Grub. Look at all the replies. Ellen
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Yup... Looks like another copy-cat. They just can't seem to break themselves of the "magic" words, though there are many others that would roughly define the same abstractions. Most of the words they use are silly by now, like "technology," which was first utilized by L. Ron Hubbard, who liked to cloak his bizzare religion with some "scientific" pseudo-auth
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I always ponder on how this type of stuff would play in Iraq, or Darfur. I wonder how they would respond to the palaver of ~we create our own reality~ or ~there are no victims.~ I sat through part of this program. It was flat-out silly, in my opinion. Aa gaggle of speakers all pumped up on themselves saying nothing much. Ellen
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Quotegourous2004 "integrity", ha ha ha! kind of like Werner Erhard saying he is "in integrity" to his first wife while cheating on her with his bigamous marriage second wife, then saying the same thing to his second wife while cheating on her with plenty of others, eg. Gonneke Spits... Well, that's the bizarro-world thing that Landmark does with words - that
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Quoteajinajan"naterosenberg", recently posted this video of Mark Kamin talking about "Sterling Bank", to YouTube: Hear words like "authenticity", and "integrity", exact same stuff he must have learned from using EST Werner Erhard jargon and Landmark Education stuff... Ugh... This is so god-awful I don't know how anyone stays in the room
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Quoteajinajan Claiming to only have been employed by Landmark Education and not having been a follower of them, Kamin coincidentally goes on to cite the same cult-apologist that Art Schreiber always uses in his letters, Dr. Raymond Fowler, the Ph.D. with absolutely no published research on cults, brainwashing, or anything of the sort! weird. LOLOL... Kamin sounds like he drank the Koo
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Quoteturambar Ellen, first of all Rick Ross has said that Landmark Education does not meet Lifton's criteria for cult status, I believe he's stated Landmark doesn't meet ALL of Lifton's criteria. Quoteand neither did Margaret Singer think it was a cult. I suggest to you that you have no idea what Margaret Singer did or did not think. She included Landmark i
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Quotecritical_thinker It's a novel theory, Ellen, but impossible to prove one way or another, which is why Turambar pointed out that you were making things up. Novel? LOLOL.... Like you haven't heard it before or experienced it yourself? How long have you been reading these boards? Numerous veterans, escapees, defectors, long-termers, and old-timers have written
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Quoteturambar I've seen several Landmark Forum leaders in action, now. They were all very, very different in their speaking techniques (which as a frequent National Forensics League speech and debate judge I like to observe), and about half were women. I'm pretty sure that at this point, you're making this stuff up as you type it. Uhhhh..... No. Nope. Not even.
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Quotecritical_thinker To my knowledge, none of the personal injury claims have ever been successful against the Landmark Forum: 1) Stephanie Ney (jury verdict in favor of LE) 2) Tracy Neff (sexual harrassment) 3) Been versus Weed cross Landmark (withdrawn, refiled) In over 880,000 Landmark Forum participants, that's all we have. LE won the Ney case outright. The Neff case was o
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