Today in the Kalona News concerning the property at Shiloh: Mid-Prairie decides to pass on Shiloh space By James Jennings 9 hrs ago The Mid-Prairie school district will not be moving programs to the main building on the Shiloh property. Superintendent Mark Schneider said Monday that, after looking over renovation cost estimates, the district’s Facilities Commi
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Posted by: Onion () Date: August 23, 2019 03:52AM >Clarification: When I say Rick Holbrook is a criminal, that is my opinion. But my opinion is based on seeing ample evidence and having a doctorate of law. Similarly, my statements re: the criminal status of Gary Hargrave, Marilyn Hargrave and Rick Holbrook is based on my opinion and understanding of the available evidence. I strongly
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Posted by: Reepicheep () Date: August 22, 2019 12:42AM >A search of our "old" friend Aardvark's history on this forum to follow. Please >note that a mere six years ago he/she posted on a Buddhist thread and claimed to >be a child. He/she was banned from the RR Forum for being an underage poster. So >much for 47 years in TLWF. Why am I not surprised?
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Aardvark stated: Having said all that, I have to admit I'm astonished at the accusations against Gary and Marilyn Hargrave. Perhaps this proves my naivete. True that!
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Aardvark, Firstly I do have to ask what is your point to ask these questions? No one here likely will state your viewpoint is not valid. I sure don't. That said, I first came to a service in what was then called the 'Walk' in 1961. I have several different family members that started as early as 1951. Ok enough of that, We both have enough history to say we have a view point. Off
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In Iowa, as well as in many states, a concrete vault is a requirement. I do not believe JRS was buried in concrete. I think a concrete vault would have been used.A state permit is also required to move buried remains to another burial site. )
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Posted by: Reepicheep () Date: June 29, 2019 12:42AM Quote NancyB Date: June 28, 2019 09:41AM The old quack was Dr Kerry Reams. My mom forced me to take his courses- it was a real money maker for Reams. Instead of blood he used urine and saliva- which can help diagnosis. Several problems- those he trained had little or no education- were not licensed to practice medicine
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Changedagain posted: Date: June 28, 2019 12:20AM Walk history would have been radically different if John the Kingdom Apostle had simply owned up to being unfaithful to his wife and mistress--and admitted his being transported from Dec. 1972 to Dec 1979 to witness the coming Kingdom was a fabrication. Maybe the entire organization would have imploded, and I would have finished my college educat
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Reeoicheep, I swear there actually were huge red flags! That said I don't think many people there saw them at the time. As they say hind sight is 20/20. Looking back those huge red flags were there the entire time, for over 68 years. So yes everyone of the flag poles at Shiloh must have had a huge red flag waving in the wind that day, I'm sure of it. I still don't remember purple t
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I also attended this event, Marilyn's funeral. I don't remember purple, only red. Several very huge red flags are what I remember though! I think everyone of the flagpoles outside were flying huge red flags that day. Thankfully huge enough that I finally could not walk past them. In fact I could not even walk to the graveside. I simply walked to my car along with my wife who was as sick
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Another update on Shiloh:
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Another Shiloh update:
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Interesting new article in Kalona News today concerning Shiloh.
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I may be wrong about the 1,000 acres but it's far more than 200 when you consider Marilyn Farms. HFM owns Marilyn Farms.
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The amount of land being included is 200 acres. HFM owns close to 1,000 acres around Shiloh.
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Reepicheep wrote: >So, Gary was Saul prior to his conversion on the road to Damascus during all these years that he claimed to be THE Apostolic Fathering ministry? Well sh*t, >that explains a lot of the past forty years, doesn't it? And how and why do these people believe that he has changed now? Wow! From Wikipedia: Conversion of Paul the Apostle "The conversion of Paul th
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changedagain wrote: >Yes--The Apostle of Love. >It wasn't unusual for him to boast about his love for the people in his >sermons...and how he refused to enter into "resurrection life" without them. So >many promises would have been fulfilled (apparently) if he hadn't been >constrained by the immaturity of the rest of the body. Yes just think what might ha
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kbyrne- Talk about insecurity. I am fairly sure that most of us felt insecurity. I know I did and the culture in TLWF must have made that all too common. Indeed "A pastor that is not approachable -- a big red flag." That could not be more true. I ask myself, almost daily, how many red flags did I refuse to see? Onion wrote: >I spoke with a friend of mine today who, like many
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Onion - Speaking of the mask of JRS brings up another memory. I, along with everyone else, was told early on not try to speak to JRS after a service or any other time. His time was considered too important for him to be bothered by just anyone. Honestly with him being the pastor of three churches (his choice by the way) and primary overseer of nearly a hundred, I get it that he needed to guard hi
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Onion wrote: <Fool me twice: How many hours did you work to earn that whopping weekly pay? I <would estimate at least 60 hours a week. 60 is likely the correct amount of hours. I should add that for $35.00 weekly I got room and board (an unfinished, musty and dirty basement) Once I got my raise to $75.00 a week all living expenses were mine to pay. Yes to be 'selected' for thi
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kbyrne wrote: Yes, and add to that not just the free labor, sub-minimum wage, but the money that was made FOR TLW from kingdom businesses. I don't know how many times I went "chicken catching." What a horrible and dirty job, and every cent went to Shiloh. One of the biggest betrayals is that I thought that the leadership was living the same life of sacrifice that we were liv
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Changedagain wrote: p.s. I've decided to stop posting negative comments about the Popular People's Front of Judea. I just found out yesterday they don't exist. Sorry if I led anyone astray. How can you be sure they don't exist? As far as I can tell the TLWF didn't exist, in so much as they told us they were something they in no way, shape or form, actually were. Am I
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Yes John and Debbie Grill now reside in Brazil.
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Reepicheep: >> Quote: Road to Damascus Interesting bit of news. a piece MFC land is listed for sale. The congregants >>>>have not been told. I wonder where the money from it will go? Any guesses >> Thanks for the info, Road to Damascus. Any more details? This land just came on the market a few days
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Prettyboy wrote: >>I was one of the early ones to come from calif. to kalona, in late spring 1972, to help with the early construction of Shiloh. Do you remember the first projects you worked on in 1972? I arrived in Iowa May 1,1973, to work in a KB in Washington, IA. Shortly after that I rode on horseback all over the Shiloh property. Only the old farmhouse at entrance of Shiloh drive
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kbyrne, At that time basically no one questioned anything JRS or the leadership said, I sure didn't. It was only later after thinking about all the things that 'old doctor' said that I realized he was the very much a quack. He also collected a fair amount of money,in total,that day. Concerning JRS I sure did not see him for what I now believe he was for many years. After JRS died w
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This 'old doctor' was anything but a real doctor. He was a real piece of work. We were 'treated' by him too. This was over 40 years ago. Nothing he said was real and yes everyone in the church obediently saw him. Honestly,looking back now, I have to ask myself if everything about JRS was just as fake, even if perhaps JRS himself believed most of it. The fruit of a poison tree
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This 'old doctor' was anything but a real doctor. He was a real piece of work. We were 'treated' by him too. This was over 40 years ago. Nothing he said was real and yes everyone in the church obediently saw him. Honestly,looking back now, I have to ask myself if everything about JRS was just as fake, even if perhaps JRS himself believed most of it. The fruit of a poison tree
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Kboy, Sorry, yes, I meant to give you credit for that quote. Until then, we HEAL together and LOVE the new day"
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This is only my 2nd post however I have been reading here for about a year. I first attended Grace Chapel in 1961. I had two uncles who were elders at the time. Since that time I have over 40 years of being affected by TLWF. I guess the word 'affected' does little to describe 40 years in TLWF. I have been out now for a little over two years however the last five really. You can do the m
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