That was quite an eye-opening episode. The violence against JRS's wife Martha at the time described in her divorce filing was horrible, and the death prayers which if there had been talk about his violence against her would have been explained away as "battle" and accepted by the congregation at the time. The lifting basically word for word of the text "Cut Gems" and sell
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh, Changed and Lilith. You guys made me LOL! : } > For anyone reading this that doesn't understand > the train of thought here, our friends are being > facetious about the lifestyle of the TLWF cult > leaders. > > Please see the newest the Living Word Cult video > for context: >
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thank you for being supportive, Lilith. Not enough > people seem to have a revelation of how important > it is that I be treated this way--you know, since > I'm at the top of the chain of command. > /s > > Lilith Wrote: > > You know darn well that you need 6 bodyguards, > a
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A short convo yesterday: > > Wife: Will you be going out in public today? > > Me: It depends > > Wife: On what? > > Me: I need six bodyguards and a golf cart. > > Wife: Oh God, I begged you to get therapy. And now > it come to this! > > Me: I'm fine. Ju
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Just watched the latest installment of The Living Word Cult. Wow. Thank you, Scott and a huge thank you to Charity. The degree of gaslighting that went on was staggering and it makes me wonder how just many people voiced concern and were told that they were wrong, their Spirit was wrong, or to just mind their own business. That would make an interesting poll question. I know I brought it up on s
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ForgottenIA Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thank you for the few that have already > acknowledged my post here! > As I’ve been wading through research I’ve > struggled to organize my thoughts (I’m sure that’s > no surprise!). Typically my write ups are mostly > about a physical location, with a little history > of its origins, however
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This forum is for former cult members and affected families. You are neither. I doubt anyone will indulge you or your outrageous voyeuristic questions and by coming in here and casting about makes you as much a predator as any cult.
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My personal observation of cult tactics. A cult will embrace conservative thinking. Conservative thinking (in the political sense) controls free will. The bible says God granted people free will to do right or wrong. That is for the individual decide not a church and certainly not a government. Regarding public welfare: Those who give to the poor will lack nothing, but those who close their eye
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baldwookie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hello! > > Like many people have posted here I grew up in > "The Walk." I am the product of an arranged > marriage which led to pretty disastrous results. I > grew up moving up the west coast and as result > attended services in a variety of locations (South > Gate, Grants Pass,
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You can find 100's of stories over on the forum list under The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens about 15 years, 1155 pages worth, Over 2 million views. Lots of first hand fact based accounts there.
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can relate to light777's story. Although I only > saw glimpses of behavior that seemed unchristian > and not right to me, just reading this account is > bringing up years of anger and what I thought was > "rebellion" in me. Now I know that it was my gut > feeling or instinct screa
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm assuming that there will be attempts to > contact people in this group privately by those > associated with the defendants in the cases that > have been mentioned. My admonition is to be > careful who you trust, and what you choose to > reveal. > My hope is that the defendants wou
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In Sept 2018 Saw Enough said: "For every young person who came forth as a talented and accomplished adult, there were many more who were cast aside or labeled or discarded." It was a curious thing, it happened quite often. You would see qualified, talented people, experts in their field told that they could not be involved with whatever their field of expertise was, cast aside and
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > O N I O N : > > Lest we forget that both G&M were complicit > in orchestrating three major Rick Disney > coverups/mop-ups/damage controls that occurred > during multiple affairs/marriages--I lost count. That is true. I guess that we are still expected to believe that we were imagining it. I am n
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It's a new day so that means another new lawsuit and a brand new church for Hargrave. Now the former or perhaps current leadership, we have no way of truly knowing, will being to appear in other discussion fora or perhaps this very forum feigning repentance in search of those that remain loyal. Like all criminals they are not sorry, they are sorry that they got caught. That power is like a d
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As we navigate our way through all of this I think it’s a good spot right here to remind people that while we can agree that everyone in or out of TLWF are victims not everyone is a survivor. Some survivors are still struggling to make it thru some survivors have made it thru and are now trying to help. And then there are the victims that took a left turn and will continue to victimize others to
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FireWalker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lilith Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > And now the onion will be off screaming foul to > > the moderator in 3 2 1. To the moderator; we > can > > back up these complaints with screenshots from > the > > Further discussion group on Facebook,
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And now the onion will be off screaming foul to the moderator in 3 2 1. To the moderator; we can back up these complaints with screenshots from the Further discussion group on Facebook, the meddling and demeaning is very clear in her own words.
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Firewalker (Jenn) All great questions, I eagerly await answers having wondered some of these myself.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Onion Wrote: > "CHHP filed an amendment changing the name of > that > corporation to Hargrave Family Ministries - A > Living Word Ministry. That gave them the ability > to take the money paid for the church property > into their HFM account." > > I wonder if long-time memb
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I have in the past and currently refer to them as the "Alcoholic company". I have no plans to repent.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes--there was the normal church function > drunkenness, and then there was the over the top > (i.e. completely shitfaced) church function > drunkenness. > I concur. Normal church function drunkenness. I think of this every single time someone says I don't recall that happening. Alcoholic bl
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I might buy a shirt or two at JCPenny tomorrow > using only cash. Just thought everyone should > know. That is quite the radical move, are you sure you know what you're doing? /s
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have also posted my personal knowledge that JRS > NEVER commissioned Gary and Marilyn to take the > Apostolic mantle. I wonder what would have happened if just one person would have stood up in a service during their power grab and said that what they were doing wasn't what John wanted. Not to say what J
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How do you arrive at they were tricked and lied to when clearly forgery and falsifying documents is illegal. Are you claiming that they were unaware that those activities were illegal and it was perfectly okay. Oh, yeah, right, it was done in the "name of the lord" so that makes everything okay. No, it does not. They clearly broke the law and they should be named. But that's okay d
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Exactly who was this "man" that was appointed Power of Attorney and exactly who was the Notary that aided in falsifying the will and the Power of Attorney? I'm certain that they had names. All the sex hanky panky is irrelevant information with regards to Marilyn, John and Gary at this point. It would have been useful information at the time when something could have been done about
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There will be those that will flock to Alaska for the "free" money and to satisfy the craving to be or remain relevant. Peel back the layers and it reeks, yes it does and it is not surprising in the least the ones that are attracted to it.
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Nancy B. That is unfortunate but I do understand, be safe.
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Oh NEO, please, you are completely discounting mind control and brainwashing. In the 70’s you had a huge influx of young impressionable people looking for something, wanting to part of something bigger than themselves, looking for meaning. They were conditioned to do the will of whatever by getting whipped up (I refer to the wackadoodle intercession), exhausting service schedules and the need for
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This was posted on the Facebook thread, it seems there are several people blocked from seeing it so I will post it here: Leilani Potter To: Shalom From: Leilani It’s taken me some time to process the horrific reports about abuse you and so many have experienced within TLWF. I am grieved, sorry and devastated for what you have endured and had to live with for decades. The people you trusted
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