In case anyone missed it. It bears repeating. Shalom's loving friends set up a new website. To share our stories. Without being put down, ridiculed, or judged by tongue wagers. Check it out. Ourstoriestlw.com. A few have had problems signing on. Be patient. They can be reached at our.stories.tlw@gm
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I've been contacting. The ones who I know and BELIVE. Were sexually abused and told to have abortions. I was told by a survivor. Just last summer. New Jersey Ridgewood cult sued for pressuring a woman. To have an abortion. This is what I am hearing. from LW abuse survivors. If the old timers who can't control their tongues. Who have to cut us down. Have nothing supportive to say. To us
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The LW leadership (my local pastor) used shame and bullying. To control me. When LW apologists post. Many on this board. Including me. Accuse them of shaming us. We were hurt. So we strike back. IMO I was more controlled by bullying and shaming than by brainwashing. That's my perspective. You don't have to agree with it. But you don't have to shame me. Because I have a different pe
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I forgot to include link below. In my last post. Rebecca Moore is well acquainted with Jonestown. She doesn't believe the tragedy. Resulted from brainwashing. She gives some alternative ideas.
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I posted a number of links. To critiques of the mind control/brainwashing/coercive persuasion theories. I recall slanjt's post. She was interested in the truth. Not speculation. I agree. Fool me once in the LW. I won't be fooled again. Into jumping on the speculation bandwagon. If you read the links. You would have learned that there is a shift in terminology. From cult to new rel
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The link below. To another critique on thought reform, mind control, brainwashing. Has some good nuggets. Even Ronald Enroth is rethinking. In a letter to the links authors. Enroth says, "You do not have my permission to represent my 1977 writing about thought reform and brainwashing as my current position on the topic. That doesn't necessarily mean that I necessarily disavow what I sai
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From my sources. Out of Shiloh. Dedication of A new yasper song. Written for the K.Stiver's husband. Monster in Law (to be sung to Chris Christopherson's song "Oh Lord won't won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz." Oh Lord, won't you send us to the Church in Brazil. My mother-in-law's a Nephilim. She won't make amends. Worked hard all my lifetime
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According to my sources. Gary's saying some of the couples. Whose family members. Post on the Cult Institute Message Board. Are asking to be sent to Brazil. He said KS almost had a nervous breakdown. When she read what her mom has been posting. Gary said the Cult Institute attorney poster. Who said the LW attorney is incompetent. Gary said. That poster was disbarred. From practicing law. For
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Steven Hassan makes bizarre claim for why Moonie brainwashing didn't work whenever scientists were in the room. This is rich.
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I spent the last year. Doing homework. Examining cult brainwashing and mind control theories. Both for and against. I've concluded. Brainwashing and mind control theories are a myth. A fantasy. Delusion. The links below. Are critical of cult brainwashing theories. But they are worth reading. You can form your own opinion. Sharing another point of few should be welcomed on the message board.
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > The warnings and threats are what we hated the > most. It drove my wife and I to search for a > different God. We needed a whole new paradigm. > Earthly peace became more important than being > qualified for some futuristic heaven. People walk away from God and their faith all the tim
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I received the email message below. From a friend. "After the South Gate church closed, Gary showed me a letter from someone who joined the Church of Satan. His wife had been gossiped about and shunned by the congregation. Last year I saw him at Costco. He told me he formed a coven that put spells and curses on the South Gate congregation who attended Grace Chapel during 1990's. I di
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Interesting link on brainwashing controversies.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > You and Nickle are far too sensitive. That is the > root of most of the problems you are facing here > (IMO). If I am being overly sensitive. You are probably being overly aggressive. In taking what I said out of context. And exaggerating it to the point where it appears stupid. That to me. Is
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GoingRougue are your Reepicheep? Your posts sure sound like her. I suggest you report me to the moderator. I don't mind the correction if in fact your accusations are accurate. Please report me. I want an objective opinion. IMO opinion much of the sarcasm directed at posters and me has been hurtful. I would like to see it stop now. This is from a psychology article. So first of all,
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JezTheBelle Wrote on Nov 22, 2015: ------------------------------------------------------- > I remember from my first awareness of what was > happening around me, that I was a part of > something special. We weren’t like other churches. > We were the REAL church. The one with the LIVING > Word. All other churches were “of the world” and > “dead” and I can’t even remember
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This is an updated. 2017 article. Interesting insights. For parents.
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kbyrne Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi! I'm new to the group. I've only gone back a > few years' worth of posts, I haven't read them > all, there's so much to read! Some of the stuff > blows me away. > > I was in the Walk from '74 to '84. I spent 5 of > those years at Shiloh. When JRS died I
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I don't think there is anything funny. About some of the comments said on the forum. The past week. Particularly GSchaeff's rhetoric. Thank you puddington. For posting the rules. I hope all of us. Including me. Follow them. I was beginning. To not want to even be associated with this message board.
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SouthGate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >> Do you want to be bitter for the rest of your > life? That's an honest question I'm asking you. > I'm not trying to be critical of you, but you > don't make it easy. Southgate, bitter was a pejorative word. Used in the cult of John Robert Stevens and the Hargraves. To shame mem
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------------------------------------------------------- > SouthGate Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > Did I not stick up for you > previously > > when I thought you were right? Why did you > figure > > that I would say that about Bobo's post? Like I > > said, I thought he was trying to be helpful. > > > >
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NickleandDimed Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Putting this old post out there. As a reminder. Stay on topic. I didn't say "And offering your personal > opinions about > spirituality or religion was against the rules." > ." The moderator said it. > > In reading all the posts. I found when > conversations got off t
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SouthGate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: I haven't read much of John > Pavlovitz. > > Other than what kBoy has posted. All I can say > is. > > Boys and girls put on your BS sniffers. Now, > can > > we stick to this forum's topic. Southgate I > > figured you would say that. About Bobo's post. >
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > kBOY Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > And on another note . . . > > > > "Good News, Church: You're Dying" > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing this, kBoy., Disclaimer: I haven't read much of John Pavlovitz.
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paleface Wrote 8/2/2013: ------------------------------------------------------- > Larry, with all due respect to you, this forum is > titled Rick Ross Cult Education forum. I think it > is beneficial for people to be free to talk and > ask questions and learn about John. All of him. > The Living Word has been identified as a cult and > John, then, was a cult leader. Y
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larry bobo Wrote On 8/2/2013: ------------------------------------------------------- > "However, regarding the posts seeking info about > John. Was he a drinker? A womanizer? That's like > focusing on the debauchery of the prodigal son, > "Can you tell me more about those prostitutes?", > rather than on the forgiveness, grace, and love of > the father
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > GSchaeff Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > I meant no disrespect, > > @lily Rose, and I apologize if I was > > condescending. > > I accept your apology. I don't think you were > condescending. Still it strikes me that it does > take a lo
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Lot of agreement among men here. Sometimes G&M gave direction. Not always. Why can't you see that. Is it because you were taught at all cost to protect your fellow ministry. I said to changedagain before. The harm I received was not a result of direction from G&M. Because of my mom. M never abused me. Neither did G for that matter. Those sexually abused by ministries didn't get
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changedagain you've been denigrating G&M. Who harmed you. Here for over a decade. When I posted about the ministries. Not G&M. Who harmed me. You cut me down. Because it wasn't about G&M. I have the same right. Under the rules here. To express myself. As do you. Without you cutting me down. Please don't judge my posts according to. Your point of view. GS your rules
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Any of you remember Jim Stewart. I know you do. He married Susan Boyd in the 70's. He was one of John's darlings. He can't be trusted. I was slandered by him. John thought it was funny. Jim is no longer in fellowship. In Christian terms he would be considered to be a reprobate.
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