“Lions don’t care about the opinions of sheep.” Sheriff Israel, Broward County Sheriffs Office Kind’a sums up the leadership attitude of the living word church.
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Larry Bobo wrote in part: "The 70’s were overshadowed by John’s vision of breaking into the kingdom in 1979... and the coming world destruction. We were into survival training including food storage and studying herbs, the silver mine that would release finances for the word to be published, cutting off family ties, focusing away from personal higher education and careers and working in king
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AP and lily rose: 1 John 5:21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols!
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > jhorning Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > >> Luke 11 "The eye is the lamp of your body; > when > > your eye is clear, your whole body also is full > of > > light; but when it is bad, your body also is > full > > of darkness. &
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I really like the above posts. There was a time > when I was in awe of God. There seemed to be no > end to all the liberation, freedom and blessing. > BUT the dominating lying false prophets (Jeremiah > 14:14 quoted above) certainly destroyed the > heavenly spiritual flow for many of us in the >
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Unapologetic Apologetic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hello everyone. I have been reading this board for > about a year, but this is the first time I have > written. I have to ask jhorning and LampShmamp > what makes those divorces and remarriages cultish? Hello Unapologetic Apologetic. I'll answer your question with your own words:"
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My one thing,but it's not all-inclusive, would be Gary divorcing Donna and marrying Marilyn.
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > jhorning, > > My understanding is Gary's father was in the > military and was stationed for a while in Hawaii. > People raised in Hawaii are known for their Aloha. > From everything I have read on the forums about > Gary it doesn't sound as though he shares the > Aloha values.
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What you say is true Larry Bobo.Excellent post. I read in ghargraves bio he was raised in Hawaii and the "headquarters/base" for tlwf is Honolulu. What years did he live in the islands? I first met hargrave back in early '70's. I know he was a cop in Redlands, but it's the first time I've heard about the Hawaii connection. Will someone enlighten me?
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changeagain wrote in part, "Aside from John, Marilyn and Gary--were there anyone else in the "Walk/TLWF" that dared arrange marriages?" How about the "arranged" divorces? I remember married couples being directed to divorce their spouse and remarry someone else. Can anyone explain how that came about?
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think Fear of Rejection is what gives G&M their > power. It keeps people afraid of getting kicked > out of the inner circle. So they toe the line and > compete to be the one "most given". "The Fear of Rejection". I remember a word (a this week) with that title.
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > To John Miller, a special mention, for putting his > foot in his mouth in 1978 > > and declaring the character Rizzo (in the movie > Grease) a channel: My Left Foot Say what?
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Saw enough: Your movie titles are funny. Good job.
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Is there anyone on this forum who knows or remembers Johnny Gunn? He was from Iowa, with Vere Thomas, and lived and worked in L.A. I worked with him at Fineline Graphics.
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Welcome ditch_digger. Can't help you with the video. I am curious about what has been said concerning the history of the walk. Were subjects like the silver mine, storing food, third generation, the many divorces, Gary Hargraves divorce etc.? The list of fails is too long for this forum. What have current members been told about the condition of the walk before jrs died and the subsequent i
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In reference to my earlier post and the responses I want to assure everyone the decision to be sent to Az. was ours to accept or dismiss. I wrote based upon the context of the time (1982). Did the idea to go to Arizona originate with my wife and I? No, it didn't. She was a teacher the school and I was helping in sheparding the valley church and school. We gladly accepted the move and we didn
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > paleface Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I can remember hearing Gary Hargrave say over > the pulpit many times that God had given man a free will and He would never cross that free will up. Then I got to wondering...."Gosh, why is it > that God wil
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A warning from Christ. Luke 11:33-34 "The eye is the lamp of your body; when your eye is clear, your whole body also is full of light; but when it is bad, your body also is full of darkness.Then watch out that the light in you is not darkness.…" Our focus should be on The Light of the world, not the next "thing" God is supposedly doing. Testimony of John the Baptist. "
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invisible wrote in part, "But John spoke of the responsibility that Gary was to have for the church - and he likened that responsibility to the responsibility that Joshua had, saying that Gary was to lead God's people on into the kingdom." And right there is the problem. "...lead God's people on into the kingdom." Where in the scriptures did Christ, Peter, or Paul
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A while back during a vacation and much to my > surprise, stayed at a b&b inn that was owned/run > by Carol Grunenberg. Carol and Craig once pastored > South Gate and Honolulu. After they divorced Carol > dropped Grunenberg as her last name. Carol, Lucy > Gospodnetich (Honolulu Fellowship,) an
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larry bobo wrote: " Instead, I spent numerous hours listening to sermons about my need to have relationships, but I had no time to actually have relationships because I was too busy sitting in church listening to sermons about my need for relationships." An instant classic!
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Larry: I agree with what you are saying. I also thought of this. John the Apostle (the disciple whom Jesus loved) mistook an angel for Christ and bows down before him. The angel stops him and tells him to worship God instead. This is John, he knew Jesus well. Peter tells the crowd the man was healed by Christ's name, not by him. There are many more examples. My point is this; In each instanc
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As far as "pastors" directing peoples lives. Read what Christ said concerning a brothers request. Luke 12:12-14 Someone in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.” Jesus replied, “Man, who appointed me a judge or an arbiter between you?” Say what? Here is the Creator of everything not interfering with this brothers desire. My point is this
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > paleface Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > There are many compromised > > spines in the LW fellowship. > > Gary would never have allowed it--but a > functioning, independent system of check and > balances in the fellowship would have spar
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A BIG thank you to paleface, FCSLC, and changedagain for your thoughtful replies to what I posted. I understand what you're saying and it helped me. We were no longer members of "the walk" after 1984. The 3rd genereation movement (imo) and the forced submission we were subjected to was just one factor contributing to the "fall" of the Roman Empire, oops excuse me, the
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Paleface wrote: Am I the only one that notices > this? > > No. The sheep are trained from the nursery on up. > Remember the teaching where you spank the crying > babies until they stop crying?? -------- no > bitching, moaning or protesting, just suck it up > and live with injustice all you
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Happy Easter everyone. I fondly recall John > leading us in a joyful version of "Up From The > Grave He Arose" every Easter Sunday morning. He > always loved to lead that song. A fun memory. paleface: Same to you. I also remember the song and signing it while he led from up front. Good memor
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FCSLC wrote in part:"...it all helps to disrupt my “brain conditioning” and lets me entertain the possibilities of eternal/everlasting life in other dimensions/universes after we die." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, b
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From corboy: "...that is a clue that ego or the Adversary is horning in." Really corboy? Thanks for the mention of my name. ;o)
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From corboy: "that is a clue that ego or the Adversary is horning in." Really corboy? Thanks for the mention of my name. ;o)
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