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10 years ago
Tootie123
Dear Sweet Jupiter. Heavy indeed. I think your parents did some pretty awful things to you. They had the right intentions I guess but that doesn't help...if they were crazy. I also believe that you are intelligent and can work your way out of it. That's what life's all about, right? Sorting out our own personal stash of junk? Seeking a true path to God? Plus, we are here
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11 years ago
Tootie123
Alex Horn did a lot of things that Ann did not continue to do when she started another group without him. Drug trafficking and anything having to do with drugs were against her rules. I assume it is the same way now knowing what I do but my experience is dated. I really dont think she has anything to do with drugs-- that was Alex's thing. That is why I am speaking in past tense. The sexu
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Tootie123
As far as Ann Haas's group, there was absolutely no drug trafficking or abuse, sexual abuse, money laundering, bribery for the cooperation of law enforcement, or political corruption. There was no satan worship or ritual. These things were to put it mildly, frowned upon. They were not the problem. The ideas themselves were not the problem. The problem was the leader's attit
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Tootie123
Interesting. I have a family member who was in Ann Haas's "Group". I think that absolute power tends to corrupt, depending on the person. I think she started the Subud group in Sonoma CA to extend her power. This is a spin-off group, I think, that Bapak had nothing to do with and that should not be recognized as Subud at all. As for secrecy with the spin-off group, I
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Tootie123
Ann Haas started a Subud group in Sonoma, CA. Sometimes dangerous people appropriate themselves to do things. When Ann became a leader of a Gurdgieff group Bennet did not approve it because she was extremely young, arrogant, and was involved with Alex Horn. She decided to call herself a Subud leader simply because she was an egomaniac and had a desire to keep control over everything forever
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