Gans' Recruiting Techniques Deception Recruits brought into the Gans group are essentially duped to believe that the group is benevolent and will enrich their lives. For example, by somehow advancing their spirituality or increasing their self-esteem and/or sense of security. As a result of this deception and the systematic use of highly manipulative techniques of influence, recruits com
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Happiness is a choice. Fight for it!
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You have a right to your opinions about what is "relevant" and what is not. However, attacking others on boards is indicative of your damage, not my research.
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Why am I lambasted, and not user "cochineal", who re-opened the the topic of mind-control and Gurdjieff cults?
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I speak not of the Gans/Horn/Klein groups. First of all, Alex Horn is dead. Therefore he is not part of any group. Secondly, other Gurdjieff groups in the Bay Area in the 1970s existed and continue to exist. Thirdly, if you were a member of one or more of these groups, ensure that you are not mind controlled yet. It may explain your attitude. Direct your anger not at member who are here
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After World War II, inpired by Nazi doctors' results from their experiments on human behavior, certain agencies within the U.S. government were searching for a "truth serum" (hence the LSD experiments in NY and SF on "hippies") and secretly studied and performed experiments on humans in prisons, orphanages, mental hospitals, universities and jails to learn more about mind
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I think all of us subconsciously seek out the familiar. The key is to seek those who reflect the positive aspects of one's background, and avoid those who display aspects that are negatively familiar. Perhaps we seek the familiar in others in order to learn more about ourselves. Coming out of a cult is like being a foreigner in a new country. One solution is to seek out foreigners. The
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Whether I am "reasonable" or not is not the question here. What is the point of attempting to describe me? An adjective is only that: an adjective. I did not write that there is a connection between Subud and the NWO. I wrote that Subud would be a good candidate for the proponents of the NWO to use as a new world religion because Subud allows people from all faiths to participate.
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"Food for the moon?" That's a new one. What on earth (or the moon) does that mean? A lot of young people were recruited, I believe, to increase the pool of sexual fodder for the older members. These people, of course, had no idea, and are probably still involved, likely impressed with the wealth, local influence, and and intellectual elitism of the older members. There als
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MalcolmSingh, The "self-remembering" exercise is a form of self-hypnosis. There is also a phenomenon called "snapping" which is a biological and psychological reaction to cult mind control. The result is a natural high and sense of wonderment which the victim attributes to the teachings of the cult. "Wow! I feel better than I ever have before! This group is great!&q
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"There WAS no drug trafficking..." etc. Hmm. Why the past tense? Regardless, regarding the point made here: "Ann Haas has nothing to do with Subud International. It was something she decided to do herself and I'm not sure it's even legal, since Subud is an organization.. Maybe that's where the secrecy lies." It's legal because of the right to freedom
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In general, people are secretive because they have something to hide. People rarely hide information about activities that are healthy, culturally acceptable, legal, or harmless. The level of secrecy is another clue. The higher the level of secrecy, the higher the stakes should the secret(s) be outed. In today's culture the types of activities most commonly hidden are related to: -
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There's a Gurdjieff group in Berkeley, CA advertising on Craigslist: "<i>Gurdjieff Study Group (berkeley) Reply to: comm-862433978@craigslist.org Date: 2008-10-01, 10:31AM PDT "In the early twentieth century the Greek/Armenian spiritual tea
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Someone has posted Haas' Subud group, known as "The Group", on Wikipedia. This brief article needs to be corrected as it lists "The Group" as based on Gurdjieff. I assume a member or former member posted it. Here is the text: "The Group (commune) "The Group is an intentional community, now largely dispersed, in Sonoma County, California, which is based
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Here's a link to a free book, Stairway to Subud: www.undiscoveredworldspress.com/stairwaysubud7.pdf
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Your post is truly EXCELLENT. Thank you for giving me, and so many others, such great advice! My favorite: "If someone is very, very charming--dare to ask 'Why is so and so not content just to be human? Why is he or she putting out this kind of effort?'"
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Glibness is a huge clue. They will smile even when you disagree, which is NOT honest behavior.
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Here is a link to an article about treating those who have survived cult abuse: If your therapist is part of the cult you are or once were in, he won't be following these guidelines!
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I suppose Subud is not in conflict with poor spelling either.
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SUBUD would be a good candidate as the new religion of the New World Order. Like Freemasonry, one can be of any religion in order to join. Bapak Subuh, who invented SUBUD, lead a SUBUD convention in the Hague (the Netherlands) in 1964 which was held in a Masonic Lodge: Queen Beatrix of Holland (the Netherlands) happens to be member of the Bilderberg Group, a major proponent of the N
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Some of Constantine's information is corroborated by many other researchers. This is not to say that every single point he makes is supported by such corroboration. If anyone can corroborate his purported connection between any Subud group and MK Ultra, please do post, because I haven't found anything yet. The label "conspiracy theorist" is just that - a label designe
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It's relevant because this is a thread about Subud and this excerpt mentions Subud. There is no reference in the excerpt to Jonestown, which is an extreme example of what a cult is as sensationalized by popular media. Read the excerpt again. It is not popular media. It is an account of how our government has used Subud/a Subud group to its advantage. It is not an account about the pur
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Here's a quote and a link to an article about Subud and its connection government mind control experiments in California in the 1970s: In fact, in one of Alex Constantine's articles on the mass ritual sex abuse case involving McMartin Preschool and their outright CIA connections, he notes that many of the CIA's child oriented MK operations are "administered" by an Ind
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Here is a link to, apparently, the only anti-Subud site:
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It is not the group known as &quot;Subud Sonoma&quot; that is allegedly connected to Bohemian Grove. It is &quot;The Group&quot; founded by Horn/Haas that is.
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An excellent book on the history and tenets of Freemasonry is Masonry: Beyond the Light by William Schnoebelen. Schnoebelen's lecture on the same material may be viewed on youtube.com and . If Christianity bothers you, ignore that part. The information is valid yet.
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Thomas Farber wrote about his experiences with Alex Horn in San Francisco in the book, &quot;Tales for the Son of my Unborn Child.&quot;
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Colleen Russel in Mill Valley, California specializes in recovery from cult influence. She does 2.5 hour biweekly group sessions at a very reasonal price. She's EXCELLENT. She herself was in a cult for approximately 20 years.
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Thank you, Jupiter, for your clarifications. I learned quite a bit from your posts. Best of luck to you.
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Jupiter, Please do know that neither I or anyone here would ever scowl at you. You are a hero for breaking the mold, escaping the group, and taking back your identity, and laying a claim to your self esteem. Give yourself kudos for all that you are accomplishing and know that you are a good person and worthy of love and acceptance.
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