Another thing I've overheard conversations between friends involved in Landmark about who could or couldn't be persuaded to do the forum. The impression I have is that's it's an exercise/assignment they need to complete. And for emphasis I'll say again the conversations are about who could be persuaded to do it. Not about who might find it helpful (and in what way) wit
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A question I want to ask as a standalone thread because all of the (hype for want of a better word) about LF is about how life transforming and revolutionary it is. My disclaimer I haven't done Landmark myself but I have read a few self help books - all of which present what I can infer as the garnish of useful information included at LF that could be put in a 1 hour TEDx talk. Of cour
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I'm digressing slightly here but there are some interesting parallels regarding assumed consent via use of language and this is kind of the opposite direction: There was a thing going around about 10 years ago called the Freemen On The Land movement which I would say is not a cult (too disorganised and disbanded) but has many similarities. The whole premise of their stance was that wri
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The behaviour of the minions is really the key isn't it. This is bigger than cults which are relative amateurs compared to some applications of this - particularly totalitarian states. Think how quickly and easily ordinary, rational people in Nazi Germany were persuaded to hand Jewish members of their own community to the SS to be killed, how people in Communist East Germany were const
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Well we now know what went on with NXIVM. There was also the high profile LGAT founder who was accused of molestation by his daughter. The allegations were eventually dropped but that doesn't mean it didn't happen - there could easily have been coercion/intimidation to drop the allegation. Plus he fled the USA to avoid tax fraud investigation - again charges dropped. But surely an au
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An interesting article covering some academic research into LGAT. Notes some psychological casualties (relating to Est for example) with evidence of links to LGAT participation. Also views that there is no scientific evidence of any positive benefit (as compared with control group). "The article describes an est training, and discusses the literature on the testimony of est gradu
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Interesting to read your comments Bakkagirl about experiences with psychologists et al. I'm following one of these LGATs that is very active in London and trying to get various professional bodies to look at it - so far with no replies. I'm talking to a few people though about lobbying for new laws that would create licensing requirements and professional standards high enough that w
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LGAT is going to save the world? Unfortunately the delusional belief that one is "saving the world" is a common trait among those with a messiah complex - something Erhard has very clearly exhibited since realising he could fleece more money out of people by calling them assholes than his epiphany that he was meant for a greater destiny than selling second hand cars. Sadly some of
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Also apparently promoting Islamic extremism as well as violence against women and Christians I see. If not already on an FBI wanted list then probably should be. Perhaps why he's in Fiji evading hate crime charges under a false name. And 3 attempts at the Landmark Forum no less.
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What isn't a lie is that Landmark are using (long discredited) psychotherapy methods and to make it worse these are being applied by quacks who have absolutely no recognised legitimate training, qualification or certification to be doing what they are doing. These people aren't trained counsellors, they're salesmen. Tony Robbins wannabes. FACT: They are using a scripted system o
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Much sought after documentary about the practices of LF is available to view online at With censorship through false copyright claims keeping the video off Youtube for any great length of time, this link needs to go viral all over social media. Along with spreading the word about these blatant abuses of copyright law intended to avoid open scrutiny of sleazy business practices. What we n
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