I just stumbled on this. I wonder if it would apply to any of these organizations. I need to research further, but it sounds like it might.
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I read the article in the link, and this jumped out at me, (excerpt): "At the workshop, everyone was told, or told themselves, when exactly the wound occurred and how it occurred. We all, to my knowledge, bought into this line of thinking and we all accepted our "story" and it became for all of us the enemy of our "wellbeing", the enemy of our vitality and of our very
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rrmoderator wrote: "It's better that the troubled person either prove objectively that such stalking actually exists..." I agree with this completely. What you have to understand is that it is like trying to catch a peeping tom. That is now becoming easier for people who have security cameras mounted around their homes. For those who cannot afford that, it is still difficult
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bakkagirl, I think i get what you're saying. I'm not in the corporate world, so my mind doesn't automatically go there, but i see the difference. The story about the dentist/sheriff is interesting. I can't count the number of people who told me to call the police. If i look up gangstalking on the internet, i see people who have dealt with it. They consistently warn a
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Hi bakka, I consider organized harrassment that actually intrudes into my own private property to qualify as stalking, especially when you add on the surveillance. I don't necessarily think you were saying it wasn't, but just wanted to clarify my reason for using the term. For me, a simplified definition of stalking would be surveillance + harrassment = stalking. Gangstalkin
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I will second that, though I have no experience at the corporate level. I do firmly believe that gangstalking is real, based on personal experience, and that the Scientologists are not the only ones guilty of it. Nor do you have to be a person of influence. Okay, if we don't want to say "gangstalking," let's just say "a rose by any other name..." I don'
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Aaah yes- the double-bind is also extensively used in this program, (and at Landmark, in general). Here's a quick rundown, though I hope that I can later come up with a better example of how it was used by Landmark. This at least gives you the general idea:
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Here's a body language analysis of someone who went to a NXIVM intro:
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Chuck, I am not the best person to answer your questions about Quest, but I know that I have seen others posting about that organization here. If you don't get an immediate response, just keep checking back. Rick Ross goes over the elements of coercive persuasion in detail, in his book, "Cults Inside Out." There is a quick rundown on a thread about consent forms, as we
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I find it most irritating that they fancy themselves as the "wise philosophers" who will bring the world into some kind of "golden age," yet any society ruled by people of their ilk, (people who would harrass, violate privacy and stalk anyone who disagrees), would not be a society that most would wish to live in. You know what they say- "garbage in; garbage out."
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A couple of late, greats, (Burt Reynolds, Jill Clayburgh), and it happens to be about Landmark:
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bakkagirl wrote: "I think the Church of Scientology pioneered this technique, but other organizations have perfected it." That makes sense. I guess W.E. learned a lot from the Scientologists, anyway, and they are notorious for gangstalking.
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Wow. I'm not done listening to this yet, but it sounds like the lawyers are subjected to the same stalking and harassment as their clients.
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bakkagirl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > kdag, > > What I see in your posts and those of so many others who have reported on their Landmark experience is: > > 1) behavior (of leaders) that is characterized by secrecy and subterfuge -- what you see, or what you are told,is NOT what you get. I would say that this is true. To me, it felt li
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* I should add that I can see bakkagirl's point. The people involved in administering the program could very well be involved in some of their own high-level training. I'm sure that it takes quite a bit of training for most people to descend to the level of mindfuckery practiced by this organization. I guess maybe that's what she was saying.
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bakkagirl wrote: "...a point of embarkation for 'actors' engaged in the covert advancement of Landmark agendas." I have always suspected the ILP of doing that, and to be the beginning of high-level training. I never took the ILP, but they tried very hard to get me into it. A few weeks after I left Landmark, one of their staff called to tell me that "my" ILP pro
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Yes, and they absolutely control every single conversation.
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bakkagirl wrote: "I would assume that virtually everything is opposite of the values advertised on the surface, e.g. 'integrity'." Yes, light years away from integrity and light-years away from authenticity. Not to mention that they chastise people for "running a racket," and then turn around and do this.
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"subterfuge noun 1. an artifice or expedient used to evade a rule, escape a consequence, hide something, etc." I had to look that up. I do feel that this definition fits very well with much of what they do. I am not knowledgeable enough to comment about some of the other things. I tried to be very diligent in reporting only what I experienced first-hand in the O.P. In
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Uggh - I feel like she's talking to Hannibal Lecter in that video. I totally get what she's saying.
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When a former friend recruited me into doing the Landmark Forum, I was reluctant. Her argument was "It's $500 and a weekend. What have you got to lose?" She was so invested in my doing the Forum that she paid over half of my tuition. The way that it was presented to me, it was something to try, with no further obligation or strings attached. There seemed to be very little risk
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OMG - yes! I heard Landmark seminar leaders and Forum leaders do that exact same thing, only more when people were relating negative experiences. It would be about something that would upset anyone. You could be robbed, and they would ask how you felt about it. You would say that you were angry, for example, and they would ask you "What was it about that that made you feel angry." And
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bakkagirl wrote: "Does God even have a prostate? I highly doubt it." I also doubt that God has a prostate, but, being the creator of everything, she could always just make herself a new one, if that were the case.
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Absolutely, it makes sense. When I was at Landmark, it definitely felt like directed coaching. I always felt as if the people there, especially my recruiter, would try to steer me toward the goals that they wanted to see me accomplish, and not toward goals that I wanted to accomplish.
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So the author of this article says that there is no dogma, but it felt to me as if there was, because your "possibilities " had to be approved by other Landmark people, and the "possibilities" they approved of had a tendency to fall within certain Landmark parameters. These were not necessarily things that inspired me.
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From the article, (link): "Similar perplexing “wernerisms” still arise within the Landmark Forum:“You can have any result for yourself or your life that you invent as a possibility and enroll others in your having gotten." I remember that one well. It always bothered me. Why should I have to enroll others in my possibility? Instead of self-determination, it seems to encourage the
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I am in the process of reading this. What I can say, right off the bat, is that some people did interpret Landmark as spiritual. My recruiter was among them. She said that when she mentioned this perception to the center manager, the woman had held her finger to her lips, in other words, to keep that quiet. My own experience was that they presented what looked to me like "New Age"
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corboy wrote: "Problem with all this neurology stuff is - it encourages us to regard the human person as a computer to be hacked and reprogrammed. No respect for privacy. No respect for otherness." LGATS DO behave this way, and it is a violation against our most fundamental rights. "Every man has a property in his own person. This nobody has a right to, but himself.&
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corboy posted: "That is coerced intimacy, and it’s not ok. For instance, an NVC advocate with power over someone might say in response to a conflict with that person: I can see that this interaction is very difficult for you. I’m sensing a lot of anger. I’m saddened that your experiences with authority figures have been so negative. (Expectant pause). I think you are experiencing a lot
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This one isn't Werner Erhard, BUT an actual comedian. He has a bunch of videos out where he is poking fun at "New Age." This is one of my personal favorites: Oh yeah - he has one on Tony Robbins, too
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