Alright I have a question for everyone. Why is that the people who do not accept Mark Pritchard as a divine master/being have higher standards and expecations for him than those who do accept him as a master? Shouldn't it be the other way around? If someone is define shouldn't they be held to really high standards of behaviour and honesty? Someone like that should not be making stat
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Pea it is awesome to see you here. I can definitely verify Peas story based on the discussions that we have had in the time that I have been posting here. In particular I can speak for his or her time with the Gnostic Movement. By the way Seekinglight has said nothing to demonstrate the same amount of understanding. I really like your questions by the way and I want them and perhaps some othe
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Ok I am going to respond to Seekinglight first, In no way shape or form did anyone "make it clear that this thread is only for those ex-members who have something negative to express, and that therefore any perspective or experience which falls outside that category is not important or worth any consideration." What Keir did say was "This Cult Education forum is for ex members o
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Ok seekinglight, It appears that you continue to desire to make accusations and be vague so a response is necessary. I should thank for posting here as it makes it so much easier to demonstrate the problem with the Gnostic Movement when we have someone who supposedly has left but continues to show all the signs of indoctrination posting on the forum. Thank you so much. "my intention was t
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Regardless of your negative experience, I do not believe it is justification for hatred. You still have not indicated how the comments made are specific to anyone particular personal example. Ok in regards to Jordan. How did he even know that I was posting here? Does he watch that thread all the time? If you are not in cult why would you be reading about what is said in a cult group just to
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Well Quetzal I guess these things are to be expected. Perhaps using a server with a minimal fee would be more helpful in defending your right of free speech. Have you emailed Rick Ross about your situation? He might have some advise for keeping information cults don't want on the internet up. I want him to set up a Samael Aun Weor information section with articles, but I am not sure if he is
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Yes theosophy had all sorts of negative influences but Noll probably neglects to mention that Gandhi is said to have started studying Hinduism after a visit to the theosophists in 1889. Is that a bad influence. Personally I see the miss use of Jungs ideas, usually in a dumbed down form by the new age movement to be the real problem. Noll is very much writing with a protestant agenda. An bias that
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Yes Keir it is would seem that Mark Pritchard Aka Belzebuub learned from the best, Victor Gomez aka Samael Aun weor.
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Thanks Keir excellent points Seekingtlight's original post looked a load like what you would expect in a PR move, someone simply restating the position of the organization on people who leave, without being aware enough to drop the cult speech. Your point about how similar the actions of different Samael Aun Weor groups is also quite relevant. The teachings of Mark Pritchard are not spec
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Actually Seeking just about everyone here thought you were still involved, one person thought you had left but it had not really left you. I entertained the later possibility to some degree. So for argument sake how about we give you the benefit of the doubt. You are in the position you are in because of the personal positions you took in this forum, which you should take account for. You h
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I would say that their freedom of religion is nothing more than tolerance of religion, until you come clear enough to see their absolute view of the truth. They cover the letter of the law in regards to freedom of religion and not the spirit of the law. If all other religions are viewed as being promoted by negative entities that are trying to keep people away from Pritchards teachings, how can y
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This action would appear to contradict the terms of use that are posted on Bezlebuub.com which can be viewed here . "The Right to Freedom of Religious Expression Absolute Publishing Press and Belzebuub value the freedoms of religion, belief, speech, thought and expression. Absolute Publishing Press and Belzebuub, and all visitors to the Belzebuub website, have the right to freedom of t
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Hey Thistle I think you must have really rustled some feathers over there at Belzebuub.com. This is likely what was done to your question: i wanted to ask something No replies Sat, 2009-06-13 16:17 admin User offline. Last seen 2 hours 42 min ago. Offline Joined: 2008-06-23 This forum thread has been deleted, and the user who started it has been banned, because the user has broken
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Good to see you again Samael, I would say the people of the Pritchard site, Bezlebuub and Gnosticweb are one and the same, they are the exact same people and the same is true for the centres around the world. Bezlebuub.com is just another front. Strange that whoever wrote on the behalf of the movement is playing the part of the way they want their ex students to behalf as submissive failures. Fa
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Here is a good critique of the cult of Jung. Personally I see it as trivializing the modern concept of a cult. In a way it is using the biased concept of cult, as that being any religious activity that is not protestant. Did he look at all the Quantum Physicists like Wolfgang Pauli, Jung worked with? I really like Jung but I also know not take in whole anyone elses work. There is actu
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Thanks for all your effort Corboy, My advise on these matters is to look at everything critically, but also be skeptical of the skeptic. There are many problems with Jung and he should not be worshiped as many new agers do. They also over simplify what he was doing. Because of imperfections and problems in his work there is an area of work called Post- Jungian Psychology. One area that may be
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Great points, 2bdelusioned. I thought I would make the point that when I said I was angry I did not mean angry towards seekinglight or the movement in general I meant the leadership and those who personally lied to me, you know who you. There are 6 people in particular I would count at the top of the list in the last category. I see all of you as victimized and brainwashed but in the process y
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seekinglight there a few questions that I have been asked to ask of you from someone is not quite ready to speak out against the Movement. Now why would people be hesitant about questioning such a nice guy as Pritchard? Seeker, can you explain why you left the movement then? You say it changed your life, that your experiences within it were nothing but positive and changed who you were. Why t
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I don't think Seekinglight has actually read what is written here, and I am rather confused. All you do in this post is defend the Gnostic Movement and spill out the their cult speech. What exactly are your reasons for leaving? You didn't state any of that, you were too busy defending them and passing the blame on the to the failed students, a typical activity within cults. It is
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I forgot to mention last time in my list of ancient writing the Upanishads, which are considered by many to be the most esoteric writings in Hinduism. The Gnostic Movement likely avoids them because they give such a holistic organic understanding of reality. It could also be said that they make esoteric ideas more accessible because they are just straight teachings, unlike the Bhagavad Gita which
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Hi Thistle if you feel like it and you are able you should repost your comments and questions that they deleted on this page. I hope you get a chance to look at Carl Jung, I think a good place to start his Man and His symbols or his autobiography: Memories, Dreams, Reflections. Also it would seem to be good to read Joseph Campbell. At some point I would also like to look into the sources used
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Hi Thistle thanks for your kind words. Have you had a chance to look at any of the works of Carl Jung? I think his work really helps to show what is talked about by the "Gnostic Movement" Is utter and complete nonsense.
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If anyone out there who is concerned about the Gnostic Movement has had their worries silenced by the statement that the Gnostic Movement and Belzebuub are independent, be aware that it is absolute bullshit. There was no mention or even implication of this supposed independence when I first became involved with them a year ago. The organization was set up to spread Mark Pritchards teaching. How c
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It is interesting how wikipedia relates to cults. Because of my experience with one of the Samael Aun Weor cults I was very disturbed by the posting they have on him. It is crammed full of quotations to make it seem as legitimate as possible even stretching it to use sources that barely related like Gandhi`s biography. It seemed like it was ligitimate according to their rules but something very s
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I think the matter of education with this group is a little complicated. In no way shape or form is it true that only uneducated get stuck in cults, however the way you get into a dangerous group and the roll you may plan is largely determined by your education level. Many members of The Gnostic Movement attempt to seem to think of themselves has having experienced academia but rejected it as
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Here is a site that details some of the internet traffic and statistics of the people who tend to visit Gnosticweb from the united states. Hopefully this will be helpful to some.
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I think when they say Galilean they mean Jesus. When they say they do not believe in the Jesus Christ Found in the The Christian Faith they are really saying the do not believe in an particular interpretation of Jesus. Personally I don't think an other these people actually received revelations but they were stories created for a particular message. When I hear living people making such c
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I have probably not seen anymore of this group than you but I would consider them to be no less of an organized religion than the others you mentioned it is simply smaller, I have not seen evidence for it being a cult or suspect group. However Azrael is making some outlandish claims. The claim that he has the one message from Jesus that everyone else has missed is quite a claim, although the mess
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Thanks Corboy, This relates to a similar matter I was recently listening to Tori Magoo who is an ex scientologist who puts videos up on youtube talk about. The matter of the student being the failure not the program and how so many people after they left were able to compare nots and realize that it wasn't so wonderful for any of them. While they were scientologist they were given the imp
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I would like to re post something from another thread , that is relevant to this discussion. 2bDellusioned Date Added: 09/01/2008 Posts: 1 Re: New Gurdjieff Group Luthergrunge, Ouspensky said that all thoughts are an “I”. He taught methods to eliminate the “I”, by gradually increasing consciousness. The premises upon which this concept was based is that all thoughts are
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