Prasadam Das says that "treating survivors of sexual abuse utilize forms of massage and touch." And that he is some kind of "spiritual healer." This type of "bodywork" is well known within the "New Age" movement and based upon the belief that by "massaging" people you can "release" toxic energy, memories etc. It's an example o
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Funny how so many cult member's use that same line. But if by "pearls" you mean the slop you have shoveling attempting to rationalize killing kids, well then yes, maybe that is what pigs would expect. At any rate, let's be clear about this. If your group breaks the law by denying any child medical care, despite your rationalizations and religious rhetoric, arrests wi
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I am deeply skeptical concerning Prasadam Das and his purpose posting here. It seems to me that his primary concern is not helping people, but helping ISKCON. And given ISKCON's horrific history of violence, crimes, child sexual abuse, wife abuse etc. it should be understood that historically they are one of the most notorious "cults" of the 20th Century, right up there with
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Prasadam Das is an ISKCON apologist. If you look back on this thread it is obvious that his purpose on this board is to apologize for the organization. But when it comes to hard facts he hits a dead end. Note earlier on this thread how he could not, or would not, provide meaningful facts detailing how ISKCON has changed. Prasadam Das puropose is not to really help anyone other than I
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Prasadam Das is a 30-year ISKCON/Krishna devotee. Whatever advice or help he might offer should be suspect and understood in that context. ISKCON has long been considered a destructive cult. And despite whatever apologies are offered by its supporters such as Prasadam Das it hasn't changed significantly in the areas of meaningful accountability for its leaders or financial transparency
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Prasadam Das is a diehard 30-year ISKCON/Krishna loyalist. Anything said by such a person should be taken in that context. ISKCON/Krishna has not made any meaningful changes regarding accountability for its leaders or real financial transparency. Such changes are reflected by a written constitution with bylaws that make leaders accountable. Don't expect objective informaiton from
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David Koresh compared himself to "Jesus" too, as have many other cult leaders. And whenever cults are held accountable for their actions or behavior it's typically somehow labeled by them as "persecution." Same old cult sing-song. But let's get something straight. When children die due to medical neglect it's not the "Will of God," it is a
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Your group is hardly comparable to "Jesus" or early Christians. Jesus said, "Suffer not the little children." In your group children suffer and die. The New Testament teaches to obey civil authority, and your group has disobeyed the law. Your rant simply demonstrates that "cults" frequently twist whatever scripture they quote to serve their own purposes.
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I don't know. But this has nothing to do with the topics listed at this discussion board.
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Hiding behind God or the bible doesn't change the facts concerning your group or the law. You may believe whatever you wish, but you cannot do anything you want in the name of those beliefs. This specifically includes the medical neglect of children by their parents.
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Your defense of medical neglect is really telling. Obviously the prosecutors didn't see it that way. The parents from your church were prosecuted and found guilty by a jury for medical neglect. The laws were changed in Colorado, largely due to your church and its terrible track record. See Anyone interested should see the following links as examples. FYI-- it m
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See Court gave parents probation in child's death due medical neglect. Seems like the courts have been very forgiving to this group's members. Note other deaths connected to this church, including helpless infants. Looks like members need "God's forgiveness" big time.
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See the rules and the following links to better understand the Open Forum and/or the database attached. Criticizing a group's behavior is not preaching.
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See This is a very controversial group. Members have faced criminal charges due to deaths directly connected to medical neglect. Diesel51 read the rules again. They say, "The purpose of this forum is not to promote a specific religious viewpoint and/or to proselytize." Please don't post to preach.
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For those who have never heard of Larry Yarber, he was an obscure "cult leader" that once led a small group in Racine, Wisconsin. See Hopefully, Mr. Yarber now has a day job and has stopped exploiting and hurting people, which seemed to be his business back in Wisconsin. Larry left Wisconsin and moved to Colorado after some serious setbacks in court (see above linked page) and
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University Bible Fellowship has bee thrown out of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE). See
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Gordon: There is a website page where you can post breaking news and comment. See Membership is free.
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Prasadam Das: You have not supported your claims about "checks and balances" regarding meaningful accountability within ISKCON. Nor have you answered other simple questions asked about ISKCON's leadership. You have offered no objective proof, which easily could have been done by simply citing the bylaws and constitutional provisions at ISKCON that mandate such accountability.
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Prasadam Das: Offering a link to an ISKCON devotee site does not answer the questions. I asked you some very simple questions, which you still have not answered. But thanks for the acknowledgement that two gurus are still around from the era of "corruption" and "fanaticism." Oh excuse me, one is "semi retired" for "physical health problems."
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Prasadam Das: You say, "Several other gurus were removed... one of the original eleven gurus appointed by our founder Prabhupada." What are the names of the gurus that have been removed? Do you mean to say that 10 of the 11 gurus "appointed" are still intact despite the fanaticism, sexual abuse and criminal conduct that took place under their supervision? Kirtan
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Prasadam Das: Would you please respond to the points raised by Nori Muster? Given the history of abuse you have acknowledged, what specific democratic reforms have been implemented within ISKCON to avoid power being abused by its leaders? Which of the top gurus Nori cites, other than Kirtananda who went to prison, were removed since the ISKCON founder's death? What checks and ba
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Prasadam Das: It is interesting that suddenly there is an interest expressed by ISKCON devotees concerning this message board. Please understand that the purpose of this board is not really to help "people learn more about alternative forms of spirituality." In fact the rules prohibit proselytizing. The purpose of the board is to discuss controversial groups and movements,
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Re: Pandu Das Anyone interested in Krishna, or to be specific the ISKCON organization, should investigate its history. See ISKCON has a horrific history. Besides the historical information, which is overwhelming, I have received recent complaints that demostrate the organization still has the same serious problems that have persisted for many years regarding accountability for its le
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Carolz: The study of the Kaballah per se is not the problem. The complaints are about the specific behavior within the so-called "Kaballah Centre" run by Philip Berg, that Madonna attends and is constantly promoting. See Also see
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Yes. Jack is also really boring. But it is funny to see how hot he gets when nailed about his lack of "integrity." Pretty predictable reaction from a Landmark groupie, and exactly the kind of "ad hominem attack" he went on and on about ad nauseum. And old Jack never did address the substance of the links, even after they were posted several times.
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Notice how Jack never really addresses the information in the documentation previously linked. He has time to take the Forum and post repetitious defenses of that company, but strangely no meaningful time to discuss people having psychotic breaks tied to Landmark's programs. He has time for lengthy apologies and even reference quotations, but no time to dig into an informative study ab
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Anyone following this exchange should note the consistent pattern of JackSF and also compare his answers to those made by Siam, Wolfy and Rookie. You will readily recognize many of the same apologies and very similar answers regarding criticism of Landmark. He never really addresses an obvious core issue. That is, the problems produced at Landmark are due to the process not individuals or a
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Jack: Your comments are not on point, but really rather an effort to divert attention from the facts you have repeatedly chosen to ignore or "gloss right over." Note the following research again, which you have not really responded to: Your posts have repeatedly ignored the substance of the research articles linked above, which clearly demonstrate what's wrong wit
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And what specifically then is your purpose in posting here? Again, it seems that your specific intention is to defend Landmark. Your posts eventually come to that without fail. Note the following research again, which you have not really responded to: Your posts have repeatedly ignored or "gloss right over" the research articles linked above, which clearly demonstrat
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Thanks Elena It seems Jack was trying to be clever. I missed that. If Jack actually had meaningful issues of concern regarding Landmark he would have said, "Given Landmark's history, I would not recommend its programs to anyone under any cirucumstances."
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