I’m weary of listening to TIT/LMT folks who think their enlightenment is superior and valuable dogma capable of getting one in touch with one’s self, healing disease, communicating with dead relatives and in general be a panacea for life. They are deeply confused between what is darkness, confusion and futility versus what is true enlightenment. Whatever your religion or lack thereof, it is dif
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Hearts, If you need convincing that "The Secret" is a clever confidence game, just google on "David Schirmer Secret." You will be able to pull up a host of interviews that Australian and New Zealand TV has done on him. He was a key star in the movie. There has been almost nothing on him on the Web since last fall when he must have wised up and went underground to avoid p
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Those who have completed some facet of Impact training and post here saying that they are fine, got a lot from the trainings, life is great etc. beware. They are like babes in the woods, deluded by the process, which is coercive and deceptive, subtle in its after effects. Wiser and more experienced heads, who have been there and done that should be listened to carefully. At one point I though
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QuoteexImpactQuotespiritual?QuoteutahI'm confused what you mean by "Morality is relative". Can you explain. Impact teaches that there is no right and wrong. Meaning that if you don't think it's wrong to have an affair with someone else in TIT because you believe they're your soul mate then you should follow that instinct and "trust yourself". Of course, w
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Inconsistancies in Hans' life story would surely be frutiful ground to explore. His minions quote the story of his out migration a lot and may have gotten it a bit mixed up. Staying away from the second hand repeats would be wise. My limited first hand information suggests he began his childhood in the part of Germany liberated by the U.S. in 1945 and later turned over to the Soviets as a
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I too get incensed when I REMEMBER those damn feedback arcs. Impact philosophy cannot accept the fact that some and even many children now adults had ideal childhoods. They did not hate their father or their mother and they were not abused. There is a need to capture in simple, primer form the essense of these characteristics of "the process" so counselors and ecclesiastical leaders
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In response to utah's question number 5 about laws to prevent things like Impact Trainings I offer this: On this thread there has been some discussion of French law passed in the last few years that does exactly that. Germany appears to be working toward the same end. In the U.S it may be more difficult to do the same. The best way to increase public awareness is through a forum such a
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Dazedandconfusted, you have put your finger on the issue in a way that clearly is not dazed and confused. The issue is hypocrisy. You state that coaching and accountability go against each other. It is the mote and beam issue addressed in the New Testament. While TIT/LMT folks preach accountability they are unaccountable. While they preach peace they practice conflict. While they preach tru
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I used the word "mercurial" (although misspelled) in the last post. I wanted to use the meaning of being characterized by rapid and unpredictable changeableness of mood. I don't attribute this solely to LMT/TIT level training. The person I am using as an example of the mercurial behavior began acting that way immediately after and even during Quest training. Perhaps this is a
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Concerning utah's question 4, about dating a mastry level trainee as a core training drop out. You would be definitely on widely divergent paths. The simplest thing would be to look to other relationships. To continue this one will require much patience and charitability. You can expect a mecurial relationship with swings from impossible to great and back again in a continuing cycle of u
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Commenting on utah's questions 1 and 6. There are definitely self identified sex offenders in Impact Trainings, but the ratio, though higher than in the general population, would be about what you would expect because these are troubled people looking for help just like the non-sex-offenders. As to question 1 on intimate contact, every body remains fully clothed; but there are numerou
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P.S. Matthew 18 has a lot of good stuff. The intro (LDS version of course) has the following: "How we are to treat our offending betheren --The Son of Man came to save that which was lost--All of the Twelve receive the keys of the kingdom--Why we should forgive." Then verse 18 says: "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee
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Abuser Status in Impact Doctrine From second hand smoke emitted by mastery level Impactian/Berger adherants I gather that this doctrine says that God is so kind and merciful that he will not permit any of his children to be lost, no matter how evil they are. This is heretical to main line Christianity and especially to LDS doctrine. Impactian logic/doctrine has no room for repentance because
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All I can say about damning Impact is "and thus it is." I have been looking at some info that I found on another RR thread titled "The Secret, The Movie." You can look at the substance of the item on the link to yutube.com or just google on "David Shirmer Secret exposed." It seems that Australian TV did a series last year exposing Shirmer, the only Austrailian t
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They do give a huge damn. Local authorities just choose to "fail to recommend" rather than damn Impact. This has to do with the 11th Article of Faith, allowing agency and freedom of religion in large part. The result is to create a neat little ecological niche of sorts where the parasite (Impact) draws enrollees from the host (LDS Church) in a way that is somewhat unique to the Salt
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Published earlier on this thread has been an item from the LDS Church’s Bulletin on self-awareness groups. I do not recall being published here though a letter to Hans Berger from F. Michael Watson, Secretary to the First Presidency of the Church. The response from Watson to Berger is self-explanatory when you consider the following introductory remarks provided by Impact just above the letter
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Colbert must have been to Quest. In 2005 he coined an updated version of the the word "truthiness" to mean what you want the facts to be, as opposed to what the facts are, what feels like the right answer as oposed to what reality will support. This is an even better term than "natural knowing." A google on the word "truthiness" will bring up a lot of insight into
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2007, A Very Good Year. This has been a year when the Impactian influence in my life has been diminished. I was told to “Trust the Process.” That was bad advice. The process is exactly what is not trustworthy. What is the antidote to the process? The antidote is a combination of things, but foremost among them are rational thinking, logic, and analysis. The process would suppress all cri
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Observations on Impact Grad., Blake Ostler's Work This philosopher certainly is prolific. On the blogs he participates in I found limited information extremely critical of his ideas, which they certainly deserve. As exImpact points out, there is a strong flavor of Impact ideas in his thinking. He denies that the Mormon religion has a doctrine, which would certainly be of interest to B
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As a P.S., The number of literature citations for Bushe is three. I bet we don't see any more as long as Busche is active in LDSTIT or LDSLMT.
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Blake Ostler's Impact on LDS Church literature I went to the Church Web page, LDS.org, and searched the all literature section and found the folowing comparitive data on some authors: Dallin Oaks--Member of The 12-----------------------748 articles Gerald Lund--prolific author of the "Work and the Glory" and member of the Second Quorum of the 70.--------------------------
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In another place it states Ostler's LO number was 127 rather than 107.
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Source of Blake Ostler’s ideas I was about to pose a question to exImpact about the level of training Ostler may have had in Impact. Then I noticed that he was in LO-107, and as “chairman” of that group presented a check for $15,000 to the Foundation for Change to support work on women’s eating disorders. A question as to whether he attended TIT remains. A quick look at one Deseret Book out
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Impact Philosophy I use the fourth definition of “philosophy” in my dictionary which is: the beliefs, concepts, and attitudes of an individual or group. Along with this is an element of calmness of temper and judgement. I agree with exImpact that Impact does not do the academic discipline definition meaning of “philosophy,” which I find is a word with many meanings and uses. What they do
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Philosophy-Impact’s Internal Conflict exImpact has expressed that philosophy was a positive factor in overcoming some of the effects of LGAT type training so I thought I would point out what I see as major philosophical flaws in Lift Off and more advanced mastery training. First though I should say that I believe there is often a fuzzy line between philosophy and religion, but it is more appr
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Counterfeit Choice and Impact Philosophy Impact Trainings qualifies as a religion on many grounds, but it can also be viewed as a philosophy, or better yet as the philosophies of men mingled with scripture. Herein is a great deception. Many persons enroll in Impact because they have been victims of unrighteous control and desire to “be at choice” and take a look at their life they say and
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Arrogant Condescension The exchange of today’s posts has buoyed my soul after a period of dealing with oppression from a few Impact Life Mastery Training (LMT--formerly TIT) folks and their arrogant, condescending, all knowing attitudes. LGAT B.S. is so malignant by infectiously spreading its evil influence to non-trainees, and those former trainees who don’t want any more of it. I am than
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Easy Eddie—Where are you ? The dialog here on Impact’s use of copyrighted music in trainings has been fascinating. It brings up the question of who might be the Impact equivalent of “Easy Eddie,” who was Al Capone’s attorney and business partner. It was Eddie O’Hare who became a secret informant for the IRS, and it was with his help that the government convicted and imprisoned Capone for inc
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The Little Soul and the Sun In Lift Off, Sally teaches from the above book with the sub-title, “A Children’s Parable Adapted from Conversations with God” by Neale Donald Walsch, Hampton Roads Publishing co., Inc., Charlottesville, VA, 1998. At first glance this seems to be a wonderful story of love, forgiveness, happiness, enlightenment, truth, angels. God, etc.; but let’s examine the book a
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