Holding All Grads day at the U. of Utah is a huge risk for Impact. Impact would have surely preferred to hold it at BYU, but you can imagine the reception they would get there. I predict that critical thinking students and professors will not provide a hospitable environment for Impact doctrine. Impact will be caught in a catch-22. If they tone down their deceptive, coercive, mind-bending pro
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Like Inshock, I have wondered about the agenda of Espiritu being partially hidden. I get the sense that Espiritu would find some good in Impact, like the rape victum that credits the rapist with wearing nice after shave lotion. Also the point on the U of U hosting Impact Trainings is well taken. They are a state university and that makes a big difference. They annually host, in the very build
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Maybe the thread fizzled because it got dunked in the Impact Water. Impact Trainings is nothing if it is not a marketing enterprise. For example: from the November 2008 Impact Edge announcing the All Grads Training 2009: PURE INSPIRATION LIVING WATER Health Water with a High pH of 8.6 Not all waters are created equal!. Impact Training now offers a unique health water with Healthy
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Espiritu, I expect you will get a lot of comments on this. It's just that there is a lot to comment on. I, for one, had not heard of Neale David Walsch and his writings etc. It was interesting to search on his name on Google and get informed. It affirms the religious aspects of Impact, even though they deny it. It is good to know that someone with professional training is involved in
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Me Too, You just hit the "new topic" button which starts a new thread, a common mistake that I made in my first few posts. You should not assume that just because someone has not been a patron of an LDS temple that they don't know in detail the ordinances performed there since they are posted in a host of places on the Internet. It is fitting that you mention exImpact. It was
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A visit to impacttrainings.com reveals that 12-15 Nov. Quest has a waiting list, but 3-6 Dec. Quest is open. Does a decline in enrollment waiting time for Quest to just 6 weeks have any significance? It is at least not a great growth indicator. You can however, plunk down $1,500 for enrollment in TIT/LMT I today and begin that process immediately. My experience is, in observing others, that a
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I searched on "Lumarians" and got information on "Lemurians." Anyway, thanks for the insight into the occultic aspect of Mt. Shasta. The Impact retreat was optional for LMT folks this year. Maybe the ranks have swelled to the point that the retreat crowd numbers are becoming unmanageable. Most of those LMT folks that I know chose out on retreate this year, which was great
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concernedforall, Your HOPE that this thread will not fade is well taken. I hope that folks like you will continue to analyze rather than feel what Impact is dishing out. You have stated concisely and even brilliantly what is really going on at Impact Trainings and where they came from. Statements of truth such as yours will only intensify the pressure of facts on the corrupt and injurious n
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ImpactTrainingsCritic has it correct in illustrating the Impact Pyramid. The enrollment interface between Quest and Summit is a key to Impact success. July Quest to Summit enrollment appears to be on the order of 100 out of a Quest population of about 150. Yes, the classes seem to be getting bigger. For those of us who would like to see declining enrollment, don't get discouraged. Witho
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Impact Trainings Critic did not post an email address, but a Web page address. Isn't that permitted under the rules? I visited it and liked what I saw in a brief scan.
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I will try to be descriptive rather than prescriptive, but in order to understand what is going on at Impact all should read and ponder Ezekiel chapter 13. This for me is the explanation of the enrollment motives of Hans and Sally who are the "follish prophets that follow their own spirit." They deal in lying divinations, vain visions, folly, devine lies and seduced people. They keep
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too much, Another source you should look at is the writings of Steve Hassan. Just google on Steve Hassan Moonie, and you will get a batch of references on his work. I found his "Releasing the Bonds" Empowering People to Think for Themselves, to be most helpful. He also authored "Combating Cult Mind Control." He was once a high official in the Unification Church, (Moonie
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too much, Melody Beattie has written several books that you should look at. One is Codependent No More, How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself, published by the Hazelden Foundation, 1992. I suggest also that you google on Hazelden Foundation. They have had over 50 years of helping people recover from addictions. My main suggestion is to look at Impact processes as add
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Addiction, Mind Altering Things, and What Can We Do? There is a common thread that seems to run through addictions to a multitude of things that include LGAT/Impact type indoctrinations, alcoholism, drug addiction, gambling addiction and such. This thread is the alteration of the human mind. Whether by chemicals, mind altering processes, or their coercive/deceptive companions; the net effect
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too much presents a real, huge dilemma. She has no trust in Impact, her Impact family, natural family, religious leaders, etc. and no money. In a perfect world Impact would be held accountable for the portion of this damage and dilemma they have caused, which appears to be considerable. She has demonstrated the ability to articulate the elements of her situation very well. With the self i
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spiritual? has done a good job of describing the four days of Summit. Let me expand just a bit on day 3, Friday, stretch day, which has to be the most memorable for those experiencing Summit. Summit uses an effective technique of mind warping so well illustrated in MIND CONTROL MADE EASY, the video clip just called to our attention by exImpact a few posts back. A good comparison would be one
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MIND CONTROL MADE EASY Well done, exImpact. This is a great piece of work you have illuminated! At first I though it was a bit extreme, but if you look at it as a whole, it captures the variety of processes that LGATs use, bitter as that reality is. I showed this to a Bishop of a young singles LDS ward who I thought would be receptive to the reality of it all. His reaction was one of wanti
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We should not be surprised to hear of the Impact trainings on talking to trees and fruit. Just further confirmation that this is a religion. It brings images of sacred plants in ancient religions like the Druids had, or the Egyptians, Greeks, etc. Trees, especially fruit trees, being rare are sacred all over the Middle East. It would be a pretty poor priestcraft that did not involve a lot of
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There is a post on Ripoff Report ripoff report.com signed by Jonathon berger, Kearns, UT. It was submitted 3/21/2008 and updated 2/22/2008. It exposes detailed experiences of the trainings and is highly critical. Any chance Jonathon is a kin of Hans and Sally? The Ripoff Report number is 319895. An easy way to visit the site is to google on "education forum impact trainings"
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I admit to occasional weirdness. After all I am a product of Lift Off, where in one of the weeks we were told to wear blue. "Look--Choose--Vote--Do it now!! This is BLUE week. The color blue calms your nerves--allows you to breath deep and easy and stimulates your clarity as you speak and express yourself. Challenge: Wear something BLUE everyday this week. Blue will empower you to
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Here is an enlightening link on the physics of light: Impact presents their so called training with no concern for scientific reality, especially when they talk about light. What they call reflection is really usually refraction or diffraction as illustrated by this neat little animated link. It is expecially helpful in pointing out the ripple effect they so incorrectly illustrate with ref
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Thank you Spiritual? !!! Your hope is well placed, at least with me. You have obviously enhaled the Impact smoke directly, and comparing it with the second hand stuff I have been involuntarily breathing it feels familiar. This is why an Impact axiom is "Get out of comparison." I recognize all the stuff about the Impact theological doctrine on Satan, Christ, energy, colors, vibratio
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It really irritates me to witness TITers successfully ply their orbital Impacted sophistry and distorted truth to draw distressed converts into their Quest/Summit/Lift Off squeeze chute. How do you deal with the dismay we feel; those of us who know better? Parody and humor can at least make it feel better. Its like the banter in the MASH operating room as the medics deal with life and death si
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An undated letter from a senior Impact paid staffer to a TIT volunteer staffer reads in part: “...your light is seen and it is creating great ripples. Thank you–Thank you–Thank you (Pictures of Angels flying about) “There are two way of spreading light: To be the candle, or the mirror that reflects it.” (Edith Wharton) “By being a TIT angel you actually are creating many forms of sprea
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dramamamma army-of-me has given you advice that is good. Confrontation will make it worse. Be curious, tactful and patient and sincerely interested in what your loved one is experiencing. You are on the right track to full understanding of what you are up against. Many of us appreciate your sharing of experiences. Expect some flack from you know who.
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After listening to the angels, I decided to condense what they said and correct their spelling. So, IMPACT really means: Indoctrination Masks Priestcraft And Contains Training. I hope that clarifies what they were trying to say. This will hold them in their excellence, make them accountable and stay away from comparisons. The important thing is to convey the true understanding. I'm ope
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In the wee hours my angels came and whispered what the acronym IMPACT means. Thus they sayeth: I. Indroctrination M. Makes P. Priestcraft A. Actually C. Contention T. Training They could not agree on "C." The argument was over whether it stood for contention or for confusion. These were very contentious angels, but my natural knowing made me sure that
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Ah, HOPE! Impact really shot themselves in the foot by saying that there is no hope. Once again this goes against the best wisdom of the ages. Impact priestcraft being hypocritical; this really fits. Job 27:8 says,"For what is the hope of the hypocrite, ...." The Impact staff (read Priests) according to their own dogma have no hope, but I have hope that the same is not true for m
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“Words have power” is an axiom of Impact dogma. I agree with that to the extent that words have the power to cloud, confuse, mislead and control as Impact misuses them. Words also have the power to enlighten, clarify and define when used as Impact will not like. I remember sitting in amazement and disbelief at the ritualistic ordinances the Impact paid and volunteer “priests” were officiating
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The pedigree of Impact certainly can be traced through a succession of other LGATs going back to Alexander Everett and his admitted sources. It appears to me that some of Impact’s more destructive stuff was corrupted from age old wisdom, given a new age religion twist and presented as truth to gullible trainees. One of the Werner Erhard aphorism is that “understanding” is the booby prize of the
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