QuoteLE hasn't created a breakthrough in you regarding your concept of time? I don't know about LE but the lgat I was with informed us that time and money were not real. Translation: not good enough "excuses" to not sign up for their course. They played with and dismissed those "considerations", as they called them. In true lgat form, they redefined money and tim
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QuoteI'd write her off. Really. Not being flip or inconsiderate but knowing what I do know about Landmark, the last thing I'd want to do is get involved with a follower -- on any level. It's just too much work, too demoralizing, too frustrating, too futile. Landmark turns people into users who are glib, arrogant, know-it-alls if they aren't turned into brain-damaged fools who
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Wow. Whatever this video is, cuz I haven't had time to watch it yet, downloads VERY VERY FAST on Torrent. Here is a link: And by fast I mean like at least 150KB...per second.
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The Google Video site refers you to Internet Archive to download here: which yields this message: QuoteThe item is not available due to issues with the item's content. If you would like to report this problem as an error report, you may do so here. Eerily similar to the way Art Schreiber and Landmark Education produced the chilling effect with their video. For a Religion and a For-Pro
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I have the same question as the other guy did. Downloaded it, but it's only 4KB? Can that be right? Am I playing it off the internet or my computer?
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QuoteAttempting to inform/educate potential recruits is a great thing to do. I wish someone had been outside the intro session I went to. I had some suspicions and saw some red flags at the session. Had there been some activists outside with info (and it doesn't have to be a DVD, just a "warning/buyer beware" flyer with a short message about the nature of the so-called "course
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Film's description of Paris office volunteers Almost an hour into the film, the investigative reporter Laurent Richard enters the volunteer program in Landmark Education's Paris, France office. The following consists of Richard's conversations with a Landmark Education Volunteer in the "Assisting Program" who is cleaning the bathrooms at the Paris, France office, an
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Statement by author Mona Vasquez Mona Vasquez is the author of the book: Satan Created the Cult: Memoirs of an escapee. She was a member of Scientology for seven years, and succeeded in winning back 60,000 Euro from the organization through serving a hunger strike at Scientology's Paris, France headquarters. She appears in the documentary discussing the various similarities and differences
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Statement by psychoanalyst Dr. Christian Lujan Dr. Christian Lujan appeared as an expert commentator on the program as well. Dr. Lujan is a psychoanalyst, a professor at ESCP-EAP European School of Management, and the author of two popular French books on human resource management. Dr. Lujan answered questions from host Elise Lucet: So, Christian Lujan, you are a psycho-sociologist and psych
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Statement by deputy mayor Jean-Pierre Brard Jean-Pierre Brard appeared as an expert commentator on the investigative journalism program. Jean-Pierre Brard is the deputy mayor of Montreuil, France, and was the vice-president of the investigating committee on cults in the French National Assembly. Brard answered questions from host Elise Lucet: On that note, Jean-Pierre Brard, you are deputy m
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Statement by psychiatrist Jean-Marie Abgrall Jean-Marie Abgrall, M.D. is a French psychiatrist, criminologist, specialist in forensic medicine, cult expert, and graduate in criminal law. He has been an expert witness at the Supreme Court of Appeal and Court for Businesses in France on the subject of cults. Dr. Abgrall was paid 45,000 Euro by Landmark Education to write a positive report on the c
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What follows will be the expert statements from the French Landmark Video, Voyage to the Land of the New Gurus : Statement by solicitor Jean-Pierre Jougla Jean-Pierre Jougla appeared as an expert commentator on the investigative journalism newsprogram. Jean-Pierre Jougla is a solicitor with the Court of Appeal in Montpellier, France, wrote the preface to the book Les Sectes, and is the found
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- contact the fifth estate - hosts Here is a sample form letter you can use to write to THE FIFTH ESTATE and journalists BOB MCKEOWN and LINDEN MACINTYRE : On May 24, 2004, the television network FRANCE 3 aired an excellent piece of investigative journalism on their "Pieces a Conviction" program. The work was entitled "Voyage au Pays des Nouveaux Gourous", and dealt w
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QuoteThe best would be 60 Minutes, or one of those types of shows, or in Canada there is a show called "The Fifth Estate". Very interesting that you mention this. The Fifth Estate was once sued by The Hunger Project, a spinoff of Erhard Seminars Training founded by Werner Erhard and EST Follower John Denver. The show aired October 23, 1986, and was originally titled "Hyping H
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reformers and the possibility of being open to the video... QuoteNot a lot of "conversation" going on. Only 1 message on the group in the last 6 weeks. Hopefully it's because they're all downloading the video. Very good point. Anyone know if there have been any posts at all about the video? Do the "reformers" even know the video is out there?
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Right now a search for the words LANDMARK FORUM brings up the video as the FIRST CHOICE! This is great. This also may mean that google will take it down soon....though if it's up now that probably means end of business for Friday and that the video will probably be up all through the weekend! So here is what you have to do. First of all, watch the whole video yourself at or by
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here is an interesting book to read : OUTRAGEOUS BETRAYAL: THE DARK JOURNEY OF WERNER ERHARD FROM EST TO EXILE by Steven Pressman
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Here is a form letter you can use to write/email/phone FRANCE 3 : Dear France 3, On May 24, 2004, your television network aired an excellent piece of investigative journalism on your "Pieces a Conviction" program. The work was entitled "Voyage au Pays des Nouveaux Gourous", and dealt with the controversial aspects of the group labeled as a "secte" in France, &
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QuoteOn the wikipedia article about the video, they are not sure if it is france 3/pieces de conviction who has had the videos taken down. Obviously that sounds doubtful given Landmarks record of censorship of people in the past, but it'd be good if someone could write to France 3 and confirm it wasn't them. Anyone up for it? Love Kath Here is the contact information to co
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Quote Schreiber must have threatened the sites with legal action, because both sites took down the videos on the same day, less than 2 weeks after they went up on the internet. My only surprise is that YouTube and Internet Archive didn't even blink, and just took it down. You'd think they'd stand up a little bit more for free speech and all that. Sure seems that way - He's
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QuoteDoes anyone know who these people were in the "Transformation: The Life and Legacy of Werner Erhard" trailer??? Was the fellow in the pink shirt in the "Transformation: The Life and Legacy of Werner Erhard" Art Schreiber? - "when the est training began, there was nothing like it...what is this stuff is it a religion is it brainwashing..." Who was the guy
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Quote it seems that somone has gotten the videos removed. anybody got a copy i can get ? You are correct, the file has been removed from both locations, even though it was posted to the "PUBLIC DOMAIN", initially at : This is all very interesting. I would theorize that it was NOT the FRANCE 3 network that complained, but more likely Art Schreiber, General Counsel and Chai
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QuoteAnyone who has researched MKP enough has found that it has been labeled an LGAT. Landmark Education is also an LGAT. From my research they have similiar "techniques" although in a different setting. I found these links in a section of this LGAT message board under the title "hidden camera at Landmark" or something close to that - on the first page. I suggest everyone revi
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QuoteBy golly, I'll just betcha George Martinez was a Landmark student, "enrollee," or follower. He probably got involved with Kamin through Landmark, from the evidence he gives below: Sterling Bank George Martinez "...During that period, I also used Mark as a personal coach. His commitment to the integrity of our relationship and to serving my interests and the i
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Quoterobyn symon did take landmark classes. the film was also executive produced by werner's former lawyer. It is pro landmark, I've seen it. Yes, could you please give some references? Which lawyer was the executive producer? Was it Art Schreiber, General Counsel of Landmark Education and Chairman of its Board of Directors? What is "Eagle Island Films"?
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Quote 6 parts: You can download the whole video at here Someone should definitely put these videos up onto "Google Video", as well, sometimes it's easier to view/download things from there :
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Dear astagiaire, I watched the video and noticed that it ended with the letters "Part 1". Is there a "Part 2" to this segment?
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From previous post: Quotehttp://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=17033252 and some comments from a female admirator talking about Landmark: QuoteQuote: 20/06/2006 1:05 PM ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: Gidget Date: Jun 20, 2006 11:53 AM Hi Marcy, Please place this on Darren's site. Darren, I kn
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From previous post: Quotei heard years ago on the landmark forum newsgroup that the deal with werner was that he would return in 2009 and lead landmark. supposedly he was paid 50 million and not a penny more and then landmark would revert back to him in 2009,. This is what I had heard as well. Do you have a current source/citation for this information?
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leksej, I am curious, I have seen people with this lek in their screenname or posting language. Does this refer to Landmark? Does "lek" have a positive or negative connotation when used in reference to Landmark?
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