What is a white collar cult and where can I find the classification of MKP into it?
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QuoteJwills Mankind project is a non-profit asscation so of course it books are open for the public to see by law. I know the houston divison is not making millions LOL!!! How many people go through NWTA in Austin per year? QuoteJwills To talk a little about the cost i paid 100.00 and got the rest scholarshiped because i could not afford the training. Just so we don't deflect her
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QuotebarabaraWhat exactly is the connection between MKP and the various 12-step groups? I keep seeing AA mentioned here, as in a statement that "MKP is 12-step graduate work", (at least, I though I read that on this thread, but it might have been another). I would like to know more. There is no formal association between MKP and 12-step groups that I know of. I've never seen i
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QuoteFirethorne Interestingly, I think the whole purpose of these "Boards" could use a thorough re-examining by all of its users. My take thus far (and this is true of most of the net - not just here) is that nobody is convincing nobody. The anti-MKP folks cannot be convinced that MKP is anything other than what they think it is, and the pro-MKP camp continues to try to prove that des
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Ivy, X "moderated" me to oblivion also for passing a "good-bye" note to the group from another member that was removed warning. My sin was passing that good-bye to the group without permission. The note was from someone who typically spoke positive words about his MKP experience. I don't think you're being lied to.. Did someone tell you that platnium_weasel s
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Ivy, You complain about MKP not answering questions. How about answering mine. Provide some basis in FACT for the your statement above: "....thousands of men who up and left their wives..." Or was this meant for dramatic effect? It's important to qualify the two, because if thounsands of men are leaving their wives after going through NWTA, I can't see how this makes m
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I have to back Firethorne's post. The forum mentioned above does not allow discussion of the issues. You will find disclosure of the entire NWTA process, sometimes in great detail. You'll also find it hosted by folks that are decidely anti-MKP. Pro-mkp discussion and debate is not tolerated. I make no statement that says "truth" is or is not provided by the "ex_mkp&q
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QuoteIvy Well, how about the thousands of men who up and left their wives, or came home from this weekend a different person and not for the better! I have seen many post, though I would like to get a count! Kind of hard with all the secrets! Lets have facts, Ivy.... Do you know of 1000 men that have left their wives after joining MKP? Do you know of thousands? Can you even find references
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Quoteginah I don't know this is what is happening, I feel that their is a group at the top that is "about the money", what I have seen "makes me nervous". AND what I feel to be the "secrecy" of this group makes that perception of them more likely from the public. Also, follow this link, it will tell you that others have worries about this group as well, not
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Quotewhat2doCB, I do not think Ginah was implying your posts were out of line. That was not my take on her post. I for one do not believe you are out of line.l I disagree with you, but your opinion and feelings are valid, just like I feel my opinions and feelings are valid. Thank you, I appreciate that. My views were not very well tolerated on "other" forums. MKP may very well be
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QuotefeldsparCB you likely have more experience with other trainings than I. Is the Inner King Training offered as an intensive to corporate executives and developed by Kauth unrelated to the MKP training principles. This is a serious question, I'm not baiting you. I have no problem with groups selling their programs to corporations as long as they disclose what they are doing in these inten
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QuoteginahI do have a couple of question's for you at this time... Why did you join this group if you are no longer in MKP and still defend them? Why do you defend them so much? And why now? AND Who are you? I'm interested in fair and moderate balance in regard to this group. At least as much as I can provide it from my perspective. Last I heard, you hadn't been through it,
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Quotefeldsparwhat2do I think I agree with you. Googel certified leader in mankind project. then see how many people are using their certification to make money doing personal coaching, consulting with businesses, and just plain goofy stuff. how long before they start offering a package to corporations to train their staff? The acts of men are the acts of men. Individual Catholic priests did s
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I give up. If you think that MKP promotes the homesexual lifestyle, that's fine. Maybe the weekend is a big long subvertive, manipultive, gay conversion process? Heck, maybe I'm gay now and don't know it. My subconscious might have been mangled by the deprivation that I barely survived, similar to a weekend in a POW camp, right? I don't dispute that "rainbow wa
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Quotefeldspar Actually, I think you've hit something there. The presumption that someone attending MKP means that societal norms aren't working in a man's life. I think this is the essence of the problem with this type of educational experience, it doesn't leave the possibility open that societal norms are working for a man. That's why I think more information, withou
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ginah, Best wishes to you, your husband, and for your relationship. It's been an honor to be able to *discuss* these topics without without resorting to name calling, presenting opinions as facts, and for both of us to take accountability. I am sorry that the MKP experience has hurt you personally and know that I wish you the best. You have taught me things.. I very much appreciate i
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Quotewhat2doCB, I thought about something else. I have a copy of some suggested Igroup activities. This was copies directly off the website of a group in a large city. I will list some of the suggested activities. Writing a story of things you wish your father had said to you. Then letting some man hold you and read this story to you. Giving each other body massages (it did not state nudity
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Quotewhat2doCB, you speak so much about integrity. How about the lie MKP tells men about why they need to carpool. Where is the integrity in that. You may think that is a small lie, no big deal. MKP's definition of integrity is that you do what you say you are going to do. The more widely held definition of integrity is adherence to an ethical code of some type. I agree with you that M
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Ginah, First - a thanks.. I think we're getting somewhere and reaching common ground.. At least I'm learning something. Quoteginah As I stated, we "thought" he was signing an agreement to not disclose any information he might gain about other people, and we both agreed that was a good thing. This sounds like an excuse to me. The agreement didn't detail that "s
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Thanks a bunch, what2do. I don't have a background in accounting either, but I've served as a volunteer for one non-profit (animal benefit reltated) and served as the board member of another. What I see in this form: MKP has a gross income of over 2M. They NET a profit. That is, they're not losing money at the end of the year. This year it's unde 1M. If they own p
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Ginah, Try to use the "quote" function. It will make the discussion much easier for everyone to follow. Quoteginah<Of course, I was trying to bait someone into answering my questions. You never answered the one about a man (and spouse) not knowing anything about what the weekend is about, being put through an intense weekend of LGAT, and then being told he has to make an
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Been talking to X? According to him, going through MKP may be a mortal sin. Funny, some members of the clergy recommend it... Wonder why that is?
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QuoteIvy First of all, I don't care what kind of paper her husband signed, he also signed one the day ginah married him, and that is most important,..... not to mention, the papers he signed with the MKP mean nothing!! My point is that if he feels he can't keep secrets from his wife then he has no business signing those "papers". Otherwise he's acting in bad faith
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QuoteginahIf so are you "man" enough to answer and comment on my following statements? Do you have the "Guts"? .............. That's a bit baiting, don't you think. I don't follow your questions exactly, but I'll do my best to parse them and provide answers to them here. Quoteginah I think is takes a more of a man to share these personal things with
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ginah, Post your questions up in an manner in which they can be answered, without swearing at all of us, and I'll try to answer them from my perspective. If you number them, I'll try and go through them with quotes, so they are easy to read. I simply can't follow your post above.. I can't tell what is a question and what is a demand. Please see my post above, I concur
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Quotewhat2docb1000rider, please explain how a person has a fabricated opinion?. That is what you said about my post. Obviously, only your opinion is honest! An opinion is how I see something and my views on it. How can I fabricate that. Are you trying to say my thoughts, feelings, opinions have no value with you? If I were a "brother" is this how I would be treated if I shared my
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Quotewhat2do On a Yahoo group, the man who started that group was in MKP for 3 years. I had asked him some questions and one of his answers made me so sad. On his weekend, he had to (in visualization only) kill his father. He said he was left limp on the floor after this ordeal. He was asked who loves him - his response was his wife and daughter. He was told to look around at the men in his group
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QuoteginahThank you for understanding, this is killing me inside. I woke up this morning with tears in my eyes over this. Who cries in their sleep? Ginah, you might also want to consider that there are many of us who have gone through MKP and have positive things to say about it. IMHO, the people that are promoting MKP as a "cult" and cry "brainwashing" are in the VAST
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QuoteskepticmdIvy, I'm in the yahoo group now.....very informative, to say the least. Thanks Just be aware that the yahoo forum isn't an "open" discussion. I'd strongly encourage you to view both sides of the debate. Several "pro" MKP voices have been banned from posting. Talk the the moderator - it isn't a forum where debate is encouraged, pro-MKP v
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