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7 years ago
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Hi I'm so sorry that I can't offer you anything but empathy. Your story mirrors so many others on this forum and I can imagine how devastating your situation is. It is incredibly difficult when few people even take your concerns with PSI seriously. These courses so frequently result in divorce: “Many of these groups have caused nervous breakdowns, broken marriages, and busines
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8 years ago
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The euphoria serves as what would be called an unconditioned response (UR) in classical conditioning. Just like Pavlov's dogs learn to associate the ringing of a bell with food, so LGAT participants - exhausted, confused, but euphoric - associate the euphoria with the philosophy of the training. They make this connection without ever making a cognitive connection. While LGATs love to boast t
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8 years ago
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Thanks Walter1963 I'm certain that it's not coincidence that very similar effects are reported by LGAT participants from across the world. I know a number of people personally who have experienced identical symptoms. DL
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8 years ago
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Hi Newfuture As you can see from this passage from Steven Pressman's biography of Wener Erhard these mood swings have been happening since these courses began: “Most of the people I’ve seen at our clinic – and they come in after the training in fairly substantial numbers – have suffered reactions that range from moderately bad to dreadful,” the executive director of New York City’s Lin
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8 years ago
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Also interesting is that bipolar symptoms have been around since est. This is taken from Outrageous Betrayal - The Dark Journey of Werner Erhard from est to exile: “Most of the people I’ve seen at our clinic – and they come in after the training in fairly substantial numbers – have suffered reactions that range from moderately bad to dreadful,” the executive director of New York City’s Lincoln
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8 years ago
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Thanks so much for sharing. I don’t mean to frighten you with this information, but thought that this information might be useful. Below are the DSM IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) criteria for diagnosing bipolar disorder (the manic component). Every one of your behaviours/symptoms are in line with a manic/hypomanic state. The flight of ideas that you mention is also very common – some in
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8 years ago
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I am very interesting in hearing about people who exhibited manic/hypomanic symptoms as a result of taking part in a LGAT. These symptoms would include: • A short term euphoria (feeling very happy, seeing the world in a very positive light for a few days to a few weeks) • Inflated self-esteem (having improved confidence which may have bordered on grandiosity) • Increased energy/decreased nee
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8 years ago
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Hi again I believe that I answered your question with regards to whether LGATs would be more appealing to people with bipolar disorder (I don't think they would), but you might have a point with regards to LGATs retaining a higher proportion of people with bipolar disorder. An interesting study produced by the University of Michigan in 2000 compared the average number of monoamine (dopami
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8 years ago
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Hi iib As someone with bipolar disorder, and as someone who has spent a considerable amount of time studying bipolar disorder, I can't see any reason that people with bipolar disorder would make up a greater portion of LGAT participants than they do of the general population. If anything people who are responsible about their illnesses (AND WHO ARE ADEQUATELY WARNED ABOUT THE TRAINING) wo
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8 years ago
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Hi NoMinorChords Since you haven't defended Lifespring on this thread I will respond to you (since this thread is about the commentary provided in Fight Club on est and its descendant Landmark Education). Prior to noticing the many links between FC and LE (and LGATs in general) all that I knew was that Palahniuk had taken part in the forum. After noticing the clear parallels I Googled the
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8 years ago
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Hi everyone I've noticed that the post has been viewed a bit but no comments? I'm officially a bit crazy so it would be great to get feedback from some sane people. DL
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9 years ago
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I apologise for adding these observations on one by one but there are a few more parallels between LGATs and Fight Club that are worth mentioning. 1. Est was spread throughout the USA by Erhard, but very soon – because the courses were highly scripted – former est trainers began starting up their own LGATs under various different names. After Norton realises that he is Tyler he checks Tyle
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9 years ago
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Hi Blastmaster I'm not so sure that this thread sits within LGATs, but I have a fairly strong view on the efficacy of energy healing so I thought I'd share. I believe that it may have a strong placebo effect, but any effect in addition to that has not been established by fair trials. This is not to say that energy healing cannot help people – the mind is a powerful thing – it just
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9 years ago
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The first rule of LGATs is “YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT LGATS” which has allowed them to fly under the radar for the forty years they’ve been in existence. For so long these courses have managed to evade the public eye because they have not been relevant to anyone other than those directly impacted by them. The great thing about Fight Club is that it has an enormous fan base (ironically enough, it
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9 years ago
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One crucial bit that I left out is the way that the space monkeys infiltrate the dinner where a high ranking official is promising to catch the "underground group responsible for the various acts of vandalism." When this high-ranking official takes a bathroom break he opens the door to find Tyler, who grabs him, throws him to the ground and punches him. The space monkeys then all gather
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9 years ago
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If you Google ‘Landmark + Fight Club’ the first search result will be a link to: Here you will find an article by Landmark Education, proudly proclaiming “Fight Club Author Discusses Creative Process; Credits Landmark Education” This LE article refers to an article by Matt Thorne, published in the UK newspaper, The Independent, on Sunday 13 July 2008. This fifteen hundred word art
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9 years ago
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Something that I find very interesting about LGAT supporters – particularly those who have attended Landmark – is their claim that “you can’t knock it until you’ve tried it”. It seems quite likely that this exact argument is provided by Landmark, which allows unquestioning supporters to hold the belief that either: • everyone who does the Forum loves it, or • THEY didn’t apply the teachings o
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10 years ago
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Hi LM Breakthrough and Bipolar – Do LGATs create genuine breakthroughs? The point you raise on Erhard being bipolar is an interesting one. People often have the misconception that people who are "mentally ill" are all locked away in white, padded rooms, while the irony is that this is a delusion of the sane. A person who is bipolar 2 when hypomanic will be full of energy, full of
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10 years ago
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Hi Lordmayor With regards to your comment on this psychologist, I have a few thoughts on authority figures and how people, according to much scientific analysis, often cede decision-making to authority figures. Firstly I'm glad that you could identify with what I was saying and hopefully it ensures that you don't risk your health by putting yourself through one of these courses. I
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10 years ago
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Some may look at the above post and say "So what?" Well iif someone is deliberately pushing you into a state that is associated with mental illness then that is a concern. More importantly, however, there is a "one size fits all" approach applied in an environment that is not regulated in any way. In order for this to be RELATIVELY safe those running the trainings would requir
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10 years ago
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Hi Stoic From my comparativelylimited understanding of PTSD, dopamine dysfunction plays a fairly significant role, so it seems to follow that LGATs (due to their impact on dopamine) would have their fair share of PTSD casualties. Very true that as soon as you can understand what's causing the problem (as opposed to "rackets") it becomes more easy to deal with. Hope you�
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10 years ago
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Thanks for the feedback. I'll check out those other posts as soon as I can. From what I can tell, none of these LGATs know exactly how they cause their highs. A little bit like someone without medical qualifications finding penicillin, seeing that it works and handing it out to everyone. Some people may be allergic and die, but since they have no actual understanding of how it works and h
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10 years ago
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How LGATs trigger bipolar symptoms – What we now know about the body’s response to stress and sleep deprivation: After doing an LGAT in 2010 I noticed very clear links between the structure of the course and the events that had led to my two significant manic episodes. Both the triggers of my two manias (excessive stress and sleep deprivation sustained for a period before suddenly removing the
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10 years ago
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Thanks for the advice Lars. Check out my most recent post (I've only made about 4 in total) explaining the link between bipolar disorder and the manufactured highs of lgats. It's pretty interesting. DL
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10 years ago
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Hi Lars Thanks for the work you're doing. It's good to know that there are people willing to stand up to these organisations. I attended a great grandchild of est, Lifespring, Silva and Actualisations and, from reading about PSI, I noticed many similarities. Landmark appears to be more PC and subtle in how they achieve their results. Do they also use the games Red and Black, lifeboat
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10 years ago
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Hi I'm just interested to hear if there are still efforts to raise awareness of lgats in South Africa and what I can do to assist.
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