As an addendum to the last post on the NXIVM Indenture, a couple of general points on common sense as pertaining to the signing of any contract, waiver, non-disclosure, consent form, or any other legally or socially binding ‘covenant’.    Rational Agreements    Always and every time read the entire contract carefully and with particular attention not only to the precise wording but esp
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   A contract by which an apprentice is bound to the master who undertakes to teach him a trade, binding one person to work for another for a given period of time, or by which a person binds themselves to service in the colonies, etc. of old has been called    Indenture    ‘An Indenture is a legal contract reflecting a debt or purchase obligation […]’ (Wikipedia). Another word for that pa
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   Stoic, your post is deeply humbling and I hardly know what to say other than thank you!    In many ways, it reaffirms and heartens all of us though; shows that it is indeed important for those with information and/or understanding of such things, especially of internals, methods, mechanisms, etc., to pass it on; encourages them to come forward and report, explain, document, or generally imp
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   These are part of the very foundations of free civilisation:    From the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948, signatories include the US), Article 19:    ‘Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
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   To mroseberg’s post:    It’s a difficult thing for the government to protect people who themselves are convinced to have joined a good group and of their free will at that. Besides, how would they determine whether a group is legit in a sense, or whether they are harmful in some way? How would a state treat groups and on what measures? How would they avoid becoming a restrictive police stat
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   @sulawesi2010    This is merely a general concept; others on this forum can probably tell you more specific examples.    Don’t try to trick your friend; you are just fulfilling a prophecy there and behave like a ‘shifter’ for example; and you wouldn’t like being manipulated like that either, would close up too. Whilst you may not have to disclose all your intentions right from the start,
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   In the last post I’ve looked almost exclusively at the internal inconsistencies that arise with an individual’s strive for perfect devotion to the leader and his teachings. Parts of these paradoxes are created by the group, are in fact inherent in this triangular relationship; each member needs to devote themselves evermore to the leader; the group soon becomes but an extension of this constan
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   What effect do the above-described mechanisms of devotion have on the espian? How do they affect their ‘internal human existence’, so that they can ignore, suppress, excuse, or simply fail to notice all those paradoxes within NXIVM? In what way does that process play out within the espian? Are there any internal and/or external signs, contradictions, or conflicts that accompany this process of
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   Over the last couple of posts, I pointed out several inconsistencies. Some of them relate to how espians are taught two different standards, one for them and another for non-espians. Others are a little less obvious and concern different paradigms even within the organisation; variations that apply to the leadership only, who should and ostensibly does lead by example (accountability, responsi
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   Talking about selling your skills to the highest bidder and thus establishing a fair market value (‘Personal Inventory and Value Trading’ module, pg 218, ‘Working Concept: …’)!    That leads to an additional point an espian should consider. If an espian exchanges time and effort to NXIVM in a ‘low-level activity’ (volunteering), then they are ‘in effect steeling from’ from the organisation
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   Maybe not the smartest thing to do for Parlato, to expose such details that may yet be relevant to the case of his former employers in such ‘elegant prose and superb presentation or marshalling of facts’, as one of the commentators quoted. Especially so, if one actually has read the available court document and now can compare the two sides of the story. In my opinion, Plyam never says anythin
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   This is a long one, sorry…    The system of Gleichschaltung actually was best visible in the handling of information flow or propaganda. Newspapers were at first silenced by personal attacks, denunciation and outright intimidation of the owners and their employees; then infiltrated by loyal members, who made certain that only well-aligned values, appropriate thought and approved rationale
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   On re-reading my point about the impairment of right and wrong, I felt as though I should clarify it somewhat, as though I had inadvertently directed it too much at the espians rather than at Raniere/NXIVM.    In Raniere (and maybe/probably several of the highest leadership of the organisation as well), this sense of justice, the perception of right and wrong is apparently utterly absent.
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   For anybody who wants to register a comment with the NY AG…    These are a couple of passages that in my opinion may contain some written statements/evidence that may be worth an investigation for legal points (from the ESP Training Materials as on public record in the patent application for Rational Inquiry™ (1999) at WIPO; the US Patent and Trademarks Office has the same document on file)
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   They probably rationalise the current set of events with the usual ‘…"them and us" attitude…’ (ESP Training Materials as on public record with the patent application for Rational Inquiry™ (1999) at WIPO, ‘Mission’ module, pg 206 bottom).    The world has conspired to ‘destroy’ the ‘values’ of ‘knowledge’ (Raniere’s vision, ESP’s Mission, NXIVM’s efforts to that end, etc.) and ‘mo
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QuotepinkunicornThe severely brainwashed are the only people who can rationalize away the most current actions of Raniere. It is the only reason the cognitive dissonance that should be generated within a follower as a result, could be submerged. Such feelings can only be evoked if a follower who holds the leader in such high esteem can consciously realize that that the leader's actions c
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Sorry, about the double long post… The effect of shame and guilt techniques enufalready mentioned how questioners are silenced, everything is your issue/fault and how that leads to keeping constant vigilance on what you say. Again, this ties in with the shame and guilt technique. I’ve been writing a lot about how we should try to understand not just factually what is happening to thos
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   enufalready, thank you for coming here and sharing this information with us! I really appreciate that! *    First, a couple of thoughts on what you’ve reported.    The point about the entire ESP Training Materials being available on public record is a by-product of applying for a patent; Raniere even accepts ‘facsimile (or) reproduction by anyone of the patent disclosure’ (patent applica
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   Is ESP/NXIVM expensive? Sure! But so are most of the other management and success schools, even the ‘proper’ ones; and remember, that is what this organisation poses as in the first place. (The business and world ethics message is merely an extension; probably why after ESP they founded NXIVM as an umbrella; and of course to have a vessel to collect the espians of whom even they could not expe
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   And fresh off the press at that!    We all have inalienable rights. Locke put them as the right to ‘life, liberty and property’ in the state of nature, and Jefferson changed that to ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’. In the US Constitution and subsequently in most such documents in the ‘western’ world, additional rights were granted and together we now call them the human rights.
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   If my style of posts did give raise to that argument, then I am sorry; it was in no way my intention!    All I’m trying to do is to find a path to reach those we care about; to be able to hold out our hand to them; to strengthen that true self buried so deep to actual independence again; and to pull them out when ready. It is the course of tolerance, open-mindedness, understanding and compa
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   There is no denying that personality and circumstances can and often do have an influence as to whether a person is recruitable or not. But more importantly, the availability of such an organisation in their lives, maybe someone close already in it, manner of disguise of or entry-point into the organisation, the group’s interest in you, etc. all play a part and with these, chances are high tha
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   bigskeptic:    Ah, but are they untrue to themselves? When they are aware of their desires and maybe needs, their strengths and weaknesses, and to address these attend a seminar that is advertised, even promoted by those close to them, people they trust, as a means to do this professionally, are they untrue to themselves then? Are they untrue to themselves, when their inner truths are slowl
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Sorry Christa! Will do so in the future!
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   bigskeptic, to us this handshake business may seem hilarious. Yet put yourself in their place.    You’ve just started a new management seminar, for that is essentially what you’ve applied, paid and signed NDA’s for; so you’ll probably go at that open-minded since you actually want to learn something and being negative is such a damper to that; it’s been your choice to attend after all. Now th
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   So can I, bigskeptic; I too can see why former members won’t speak. And that is exactly the calculation behind the intimidations and lawsuits! The questions are: How many lawsuits have they still in them? How much intimidation can they do before they themselves are going to be put in their place by the public? Where is their pain threshold, their point of faltering under the pressure? (They be
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   I love the link to Sara Bronfman’s take on the word ‘cool’. Somebody might suggest a crash course on how to read a dictionary to be added to the NXIVM curriculum; you know, concepts like context dependent entries and so on…    But let’s take a leaf from their book for a change and look at one of their terms, ‘persistence’.    Merriam-Webster’s first: persistence, n: 1: the action or fact
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Wasn't he also involved in the National Health Network or so? Another former girlfriend's business that tanked and resulted in legal troubles and the like?
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In the ESP Training Materials’ module on ‘Work and Value’ (as to be found in the Rational Inquiry™ patent (1999) application on page 121) there is another example for re-inventing the wheel. The paragraph at the bottom of the page corresponds practically one-on-one with Gene Roddenberry’s positive vision of a future as portrayed in Star Trek. One might just recall the dialogue in "First Co
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And if, as pinkunicorn said, $65 million have been lost on commodities trading, it stands to reason that Bouchey’s claims of gambler-typical behaviours is by that implicitly proven; and by that logic, further assertions in her deposition gain more weight as well.
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