Hi Sumi So sorry to hear about this. The thread is alive, and Banai continues to wreak havoc on peoples' lives. Let me know if you want to talk about it, I have also been through all three workshops and almost lost my marriage in the process. Those workshops are not healthy, and one can be so easily misled by the beautiful promises made of purposeful lives, understanding your life vision,
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Thank you, Stoic. I will pursue this further.
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I cannot agree more. We were exposed to an LGAT called the "Centre of Light" or Insight Training Centre." Upon researching this forum and consulting many other sources, the conclusion is the same. There are numerous overlays between the various approaches followed by basically all the LGATS described on this forum, and they are all based on similar priciples ranging from ancient ri
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So true what are saying about lingering effects. We (my wife and I) quite our involvement in an LGAT in 2003, and the effects for both my wife and myself are still present. At the same time every year (during the times that we were involved in the workshops), certain odd behaviours become evident. Fortunately we both know and see this happening and can at least help each other through this.
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Dear sL Welcome to a recovering community, and again thanks to RRModerator for having this opportunity. It has been since 2003 that I quit my involvement in a LGAT called Insight training (all based on ESt, Landmark, etc), and the good news is that recovery is possible. I have to say that this forum and its very kind, open-hearted and willing to share contributors did a lot to help me recove
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Yep, having attended the three intense phases of the Centre of Light in Johannesburg South Africa, (known as Joyspring/Lifespring/ Turning Point and the Mile), the same stuff occurs- same kind of language, scripts, games, etc. Nothing new, except the damage that it does.
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JayJoseph Please stay away from any form of LGAT's. Read the posts under Quest (Johannesburg, South Africa) and listen very carefully to what attendees have done through and the long journeys to recovery. I do not know OI, but some LGATS use extremely dangerous mind control techniques. I also suggest reading the post on LGATS- one persons' experience of Lifespring. You may find it s
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QuoteSane AgainSymbolic Rituals - ancient rites Ryk, if you are still out there... I think the reason the effects are so long lasting and "hair-raising" is that in Joyspring and Inquest in particular (second level courses) they use elements of ancient symbolic initiation rituals. They combine that with the more modern brainwashing techniques discussed generally in this forum and
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QuotemangwanyaOne of the dudes from the centre inboxed me this: Re: Quest (Johannesburg South Africa) From: marcelle To: mangwanya Date: 07/06/2009 05:02PM hi i completed a both Turning Point and JoySpring almost the same month that Mangwanya walked out. i agree with the faciliator of the workshop fully that he will only give you your money back after you have completed and if you a
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QuoteSane AgainQuoteRyk If someone can help me make sense of these experiences, I'd really like to know (or was this just me?) I remember during the Joyspring workshop, going towards the stage to get my life contract validated- I wrote things on a piece of paper that for sure was not my hand writing- I write very illegibly, but this was pure and beautiful. About where to go for
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QuoteSane AgainQuoteRyk If someone can help me make sense of these experiences, I'd really like to know (or was this just me?) No, not just you! (Those hallucinations and so on) If you do a search on 'psychosis' and 'hallucination' on this forum, you'll find quite a few similar experiences. I also remember people deep into Quest (and happily so) che
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QuoteSaneAgainHello Brad, Just some extra comments for anyone reading: I hope I haven't given the impression I went to Quest for help with psychotic episodes. I went to Quest in good mental health because I was lead to believe it would be fun and would give me tools to improve my life. Likewise- I was sent to the Insight Training by a former manager under the auspices of "
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QuoteSaneAgainConnecting a few dots in the South Africa LGAT industry... QuoteSubject: Finished your Scamway story... Wed, 26 Aug 1998 Well-yes. Interesting; There was a cult called Breakthrough that sprung upon my home town a few years ago that operated along similar lines, separation of philosophies, almost divine worship of a leader, hugging, sleep deprivation in the name of
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ExLand Are there anybody that you know have attended the Center of Light (Insight Training) seminars? I would really like to get in touch with those who managed to extract themselves from it. I tell you, there is no way out without huge amounts of Godly grace. I have tried to obtain some help through professionals, but I cannot get hold of anyone who knows enough about it. I guess this was
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Hey ExLand During our turning point workshop (insight training), my wife indicated grave reservations about what's going on, much like Mangwanya did. However, she kept going at it in the face of accusations (screaming) that she will never finish the course and so be deemed a failure. She persevered to show me her love and to indicate that she could finish this. Had I known at the time, I
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Hey, ExLand Apologies if this comes through twice- lost my connection there for a while. I want to mention the many adverts on the M1 highway in central Jhb that advertises "Dyanetics" as the newest, latest opportunity to rid yourself of stress, worries, and becoming the master of your own destiny. My small research effort indicates a clear link to Hubbard's ideas on sciento
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SaneAgain, did you manage to write to the Medical and Health Professionals' Council. If so, what was the outcome? I have had trouble for seven years after doing the Insight training centre full monty- turning point, Joyspring and the Mile. I have only learnt from this forum of its hideous nature and the after-effects. All of the stuff written about here are practiced by them- the games are t
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After reading extensively around this forum, I realized that the similarities in the approach of just about all the LGATS mentioned herein is striking. The relatively low feature of the insight training centre in JHB also caught my eye. Mangwanya's response very accurately describes what goes on there. Well done for getting out so quick, Mangwanya . I am writing down a few of the things that
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Thanks, ExLand. Will reply by private message.
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Thanks Ex-Land, I appreciate your response. After years of searching for an answer (from spiritual leaders, to meditation, to therapists, etc.) I can only conclude that no-one (except people who actually experienced LGAT's) really knows anything about it or how to help people get through it. What you say makes a lot of sense. However, I am as furious as I am relieved for getting to some trut
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After reading some of the statements pertaining to why so few people have written about LGATS's and its effects on this forum, or any other for that matter- I guess my own experience explains it for me, at least. I have been grappling with the aftermath of our experiences way back since 2003, and only came across this site now. This forum opened my eyes in a big way. And incidently, I contac
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Hello, there. I'm new to this forum and extremely grateful for stumbling across it. The thing is, I kind off stumbled onto this site because of past experiences that kept on haunting me. I'm referring to the training done at the Insight Training Centre (center of light) in JHB, 2003. I did the whole nine yards- turning point, Joyspring and the Mile- including assisting on a number of oc
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