Thanks for that very sound advice Carlos and Lars. You're doing a very good work exposing Landmark. May God be with you all. Blessings and peace,
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Dear Jupiter, I can understand what you mean by 'relieving' them.( ie. your experiences) It seems to me, that now you are out of Subud you are examining all of your old thought patterns in the light of your new found freedom. It's great to hear you are feeling so much better. I can see clearly too you harbour no bitterness but a sincere desire to see your famil
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Dear Jupiter, I sympathise with you and can only grieve with you as you relive these sad memories of childhood and youth. All I can say is that this is what Subud encourages sadly. It encourages weird unbalanced thinking and delusions of grandeur and such silly things as 'clearing' rooms of 'spirits' by latihaning ect. I can totally relate to this sort of beh
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I've got children and their partners in this Landmark cult and they just speak 'Landmarkese' all the time. They always seem to be in a hurry getting to the next meeting and working hard to pay for it. Some good things have come out of it. One thing that really gets me is 'the phone call' that comes at the end of every first or second course. Its a 'sorry' pho
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Well spoken Corboy!
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Hi Andrew, For whatever reasons you perceive I have exchanged one cult for another is irrelevant to the discussion really. The point I am trying to make is that Pak Subuh falsely advertised the fact that Subud was inclusive of Christianity which is clearly patently false advertising and misrepresentation.Subud continues to misrepresent its true nature to this day. It should be
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Dear Jupiter, You make some damning revelations on Subud life, many of which I can empathise with. I feel from looking at the evidence that Subud affects people critically at every stage of their life perhaps. It has the effect of atrophying our normal human development through each stage of life from a young child through the teen and young adult stages to the early marriage an
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So Andrew, youre all set to REFORM Subud are you? Well I'd start by telling everybody the TRUTH for a start. That might help. And that truth is that Subud is a 'Pentecostal Muslim' sect masquerading as an all inclusive spiritual brotherhood. Does that make sense? The 'pentecostal' part can be translated as 'charismatic' or speaking in tongues and other various &
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Hi Andrew, Welcome to the garden maze! There's only way out and thats out of Subud. I'm not angry and I apologize if that comes through in my post. But I am highly critical and discerning of Subuds 'claims' from my experience and recent research on the movement. Testing and all it entails is just another delusion. It's the equivalent to prayer and seekin
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Hi Jupiter, Just recently saw your post and question. Well I would say the main thing that has helped me to overcome all of my brain pollution from Subud ( funny that , we weren't supposed to be thinking were we?) has been getting to know what the bible says about it all. I became a christian after leaving Subud and once I realised what the bible plainly taught I was able to
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Hi Jupiter, re the name thing! We had changed our names in Subud when first in it to english names and then shortly after to muslim names. We weren't born into Subud but our first 5 children were. We had both changed our names by deed poll which at the time just involved filling in a form and paying about $50 or so. When we left Subud we gave all our children english names but did not change
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The trouble with Subud is you can't function as a normal human being. For a start the most important tool we have for charting our course through this life is removed from us. Our brain! People in Subud are actively discouraged from using their OWN discernment and judgment and plain old common sense.One is told constantly to NOT THINK but just receive. Here's an example. I was in year
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Subud claims through its spiritual practice the 'latihan kedjiwaan' that its members are being purified of all their rubbish they have accumulated in their lives and the lives of their ancestors. The latihan is like a cathartic type of exercise which is practised twice a week and more during national congresses and world congresses. It works like this. You have to wait three months af
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Hello! I know who you are talking about. Their names are Martin and Sarah Rankin and they still live in Perth. They are now Christians and we know them well.
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Im an ex member of subud
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Hi Jupiter, You give a pretty good run down of what Subud is all about, You should get a website up and running and minister to these poor deluded people. I was in Subud for 10 years and went through the same hell getting out of it. Hope youre okay now. Pity youre not still aroound to help others.
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QuoteBronte GDear Jupiter, I wish I could encourage you to just do what you want. Be Normal. Be yourself. No one can tell you what is right for you. Go and visit your friends, choose whatever friends you like. Enjoy your life. It is yours, not mine, not any one else's to dictate, limit or control. You can choose to let people hold you back, or you can ignore them. You can do what you want
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Hi folks, I was in Subud for ten years and have been out of it for 13 years now. I know all about it and its effects on people. Anyone wanting to know more just ask me.
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Hi My son is heavily involved with Landmark Forum in Perth, WA, too with his wife. Now theyve got my other son and his girlfriend and my daughter into it too. My daughters taking off to Holland to go link up with landmarkites over there too. Wonder if we can get some site happening to reach out to these poor deluded people here in Australia? We need to DO SOMETHING! Ive tried sending my son stuff
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Hi Jazz3man! I can tell you all about Subud. I was in it for 10 years before I left (from 1974 to 1984) and shortly after became a christian. I bet your friend is confused! Tell her to go on to the AntiSubud site! There is a comments page there she can go on to. You dont have to register or anything. There are two of us christians there and every day we go on and talk about th
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Trying to cope with 3 kids in Landmark Forum. watching them waste all their money and become like zombies more and more.
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Hi Nettie, Thanks for the valuable information. My son has become involved with Landmark Education and has been now for a few years. He's got some of our other children involved now as well. He's always doing it on the weekends and I'm really concerned about it. It all seems so FAKE , the over the top happy I"M GREAT replies whenever you talk to them ect. What can I do? Theyre
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