Acid Reindeer, I wish you the best. I've enjoyed reading your posts. You've added a lot here. Best of luck to you, and hope you stop by again when you can. -lightwolf
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Quotejkms89thanks for the additional info.You're welcome. Hope it helps! -lightwolf
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Again we agree. Did you notice the last line of the article? QuoteIf you would like support in viewing a decision, give yourself the gift of time and make the "choice" to call the coach. Of course, the author just happens to be a "coach." Whether it is a simple article like this, a Forum weekend or a LGAT exercise, it ends with enrolling the student/inductee/prey into t
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Quotemidonov123It is absurd to say that choice is love-based and decision is fear-based. This is simply not true. My point exactly -- absurd UNLESS you have an agenda to confuse, obfuscate, and ultimately control. If you can label (and have you noticed how consistently they label thus) rational thought as fear based, you naturally open people up to an alternative (your alternative of course),
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I ran across this article on the "distinction" of choice v. decision. The language smacks of LGAT speak. The New Consciousness seems to involve the dumbing-down of ideas, inventing distinctions to serve its purposes. I am struck (but now certainly not surprised) at how often the "critical mind" is viewed as bad in these circles. The local Scientology office had somet
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Quotejkms89Thanks again guys. The more I read some of the advertising, the more I'm seeing the subliminal and NLP material he is using to exploit the fact that many of us guys feel inadequate around women. And hence to sell the product. I don't know why I read any of his material in the first place. I guess I felt if I could find a way to be more self confident, I would be more a
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He's got some articles on askmen.com as well. It comes across to me as essentially sales material: how to sell yourself and persuade the girls to fall all over you. In reading his stuff, it seems to me like so much of the stuff that gets written about here: small nuggets of truth get wrapped with sugary manipulative material, and voila, a new guru is born. The nuggets are just motherh
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QuoteautomaticftpApparently it was not "fair" of me to decide on my own, without talking to her about it. Typical Lekkie behavior. It is not OK to make decisions without consulting them, but hey, they can make decisions without consulting you! Been there, done that. They get the mindset that you are a poor downstream boob, and live out the LGAT training style of trainee submits to
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QuoteBirdSo how/why did you guys find this forum and how do you know about this? I found it by searching for "Landmark" and "cult" in a search engine. Why? Read my very first post. Like you, I had someone in my life who got involved in Landmark, was concerned because of the changes I saw, and needed to know more and understand what to do. As to how we know about this,
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QuoteCognatusNoctemI felt sure that Fran Cannon of Cannon Training was my first contact with an LGAT (I didn't even know what that was). You both have helped me breathe a sigh of relief! Thanks for your support! Cognatus Noctem :lol: :D You are welcome. YOU ARE NOT ALONE here. This is an important message that counteracts the isolationist tendencies of the LGATs. The discernment you
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New dress, same pig. You nailed it Don! Good awareness and I'm glad you and your wife got out. All of this does sound familiar. The more you read here, the more you'll see the same themes. "I thought that it was something wrong in me." This is important. These groups are very good at convincing you of the lie that if you fail or hesitate, there is something wrong
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I think we also get to see what Landmark is made of. Railroad companies nearly went extinct because they didn't realize until it was almost too late that they were in the transportation business, not the railroad business. At their zenith, railroads were the best of transportation, but better means came along. They could not re-invent themselves into road or air carriers, but stubbornly
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QuoteSo to not be taken in by whatever it is you're reading, you might want to think about what you're reading and ask yourself who wrote it, why did they write it, and what are they saying or not saying about it or themselves. You know, read between the lines. So let's apply to them what they say others should do (another "racket" of mine): Question 1: Let's as
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QuoteBirdI also found this website: I am well aware that doctors are not immune to brainwashing, but could someone handle the LF in a rational manner and use it to their benefit? One more thing Bird, When I went to the site above, my cookie manager popped up and said that "www.landmarkeducation.com wants to set a cookie." Hmmm. Evidently Landmark runs scooponlandmarkforum, so o
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QuoteBirdI was surprised to see this labelled as a "cult" which I guess is what has me worried. I just caught your statement that you have read almost everything on this stie, so if this is old news, I apologize. But if you haven't read the link below, please do. Here's a great resource to check out this angle of your questions: The Self Magazine case referred to in t
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QuoteAlex_RushThe revolt is not crushable. If they considered it, they decided they couldn't or decided not to do so. Landmark wrote supportive words to the group. Alex, This is called "handling." Of course they will write supportive words. Why piss you off and alienate some of their best customers? But, as has been pointed out by many here, your reform effort is aimed at th
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QuoteAlex_RushAs lightwolf understood, Landmark's growth says Landmark ain't going away. Let me help you with understanding me, Alex (I'm trying to be nice here). I didn't say, and I don't understand, that "Landmark's growth says Landmark ain't going away." The errors: - I didn't say Landmark was growing. There are no independently audited,
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QuoteBirdI also found this website: I am well aware that doctors are not immune to brainwashing, but could someone handle the LF in a rational manner and use it to their benefit? (Obviously I am trying very hard to find the good in this!) Bird, it's good that you are checking everything out, even the stuff that is pro-Landmark. Only by examining everything can you find what you believ
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QuoteBirdShould I be concerned about my friend? Is there potential that she will truly benefit from this "class"? Is there any valuable information? Certainly they're not asking anyone to drink Kool-Aid or antyhing like that, it just sounds like a big extortion racket to me but is it dangerous? I think she is too intelligent to be swayed by the bad points of this and I am hopeful t
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QuoteAlex_RushReform is removing the Kool-Aid and the pig. No grad nights. No sugar. No lipstick. Education. Did you see that Landmark revenue is up 50% in the last two years from $50 to $75 million? Complete elimination? Reform? Equally improbable? Good morning Alex, glad you enjoyed what I wrote. Since Landmark's financials are not public (at least to my knowledge), I can't com
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QuoteAlex_RushNettie seems to get what it's about (how to comunicate with believers?). Has Nettie signed the reform petition? It's easy to criticize. Constructive comments? Alex, I wonder if you realize you only validate our views about Landmark when you communicate in ways we've all seen and heard many, many times before. You say the Nettie seems to get it, so I presume you
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QuotemottyMy friend would only speak in generalities like: this is a life altering experience, I should have went there a long time ago, they can show you how to overcome all the difficulties you have in your life etc..... There are additional red flags in what your friend tells you. - speaking in generalities -- they should be able to give you specific examples, and not tell you "I c
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Here's a link that shows the Landmark people often travel in the Money & You circles as well. Wiser Aussie's wonderful recaps here of M&Y show how similar these two groups are, thus the natural overlap of interest. The same story told in different ways makes people even more vulnerable to hand over their money time and time again, essentially for the same stuff.
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QuotenutrinoFor the life of me, I cannot perceive how you could have a relationship while talking like a Phenomenology textbook... too abnormal by far... You can't, except with another such babble-head. Thus the source for many a thread here. -lightwolf
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The love bombing dried up quickly for this person: Quotethere isn't one particular way that Landmark grads are supposed to be. They don't have to be in seminars, they don't have to bring guests, there is no fixed way of being that is required to participate in transformation, and nobody should get up on their high horse and look down their nose at anybody because their beliefs d
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From Mr. New Consciousness: QuoteFrom what I have read on their message boards, it is a breeding ground for hate of the unfamiliar, which is very simply rooted in fear. I found this interesting because this is exactly what I hear from my Lekkie friend. I am intrigued by the gravity towards intolerant words such as "hate" and "fear." I have shown nothing but love toward
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QuoteIt's worthwhile to keep in mind that in the end, the reform conversation is not about us, it's not about this group, and it's not about Landmark. It's about the people out there who will not have access to a life they love until a way is found to bring the conversation of transformation broadly into the mainstream. Having experienced and observed the power of this educati
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Thus the proper classification of est/Landmark and the others as psychological MLMs. The product is secondary. Selling and recruitment is what it's all about. A free marketplace is very efficient and determining which products and ideas meet peoples needs and wants, which are winners and which are losers. When you have to promote something outside the common marketplace, tightly shephe
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QuotenettieOh how the language of landmark goes around the real problem. It is like you cannot say the obvious; there is simply to little time to accomplish what has been said to be done. Thus a LOT OF INAUTHENTICITY. You had to make up a phrase that sounded right in landmark world but really only was a cover-up of what was true. How well said nettie! Thank you for this. sonnie: nice job! Th
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QuotefoodguypdxDecision: to take action based on the information that you have and experiences that go with it. Choose: to take action inspite of the information that you have and experiences that go with it. Ah, the smell of LGAT speak in the early afternoon . . . . Brings a smile to my heart. Interesting definitions foodguypdx. Just where did you glean these from? Make them up yourse
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