Quotecorboyyou also were impacted by the powerful methods shared with him by Werner Erhard and EST. How powerful are those methods? When Muktananda made his 3rd World Tour, I can attest that there were times when well over 1000 people came to his evening programs. This was the 70s, where human potential/spiritual new stuff was all the rage, so lots of people showed up. The vast vast majority of
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QuoterrmoderatorRandomStu: "'Brainwashing dogma'"? "this 'anticult' dogma"? Frankly, you seem to have bought into a cult apologist dogma and accompanying victim bashing. Seems like you never really sorted through your own cult experience very well. Perhaps you should read and learn more before commenting. It seems you are either ignorant
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QuoterrmoderatorYou seem to be doing a bit of victim bashing here. You seem to be identifying everyone here as a "victim." In fact, there are people who come to these boards who've been involved with a teacher or group, and have left or are considering leaving, and want to understand what happened, and chart a future direction. By putting them into a "victim" box, you&#
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QuoterrmoderatorBlaming the victims of thought reform scams is not a meaningful response to their injuries. ONE method of responding to regrets about following Katie (or similar groups/teachers) is to consider oneself a helpless victim, with no responsibility for the experience. I believe that this viewpoint is well-represented in this discussion. An alternate method is to examine one own th
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QuoteshaktiThe most important thing to the SCARIEST cult apologists (scariest in caps because I mean SCARY) like the vampires Gordon Melton and Massimo Introvigne, or their pals Becky Moore and Eileen Barker is to discredit the entire notion of "brainwashing". Civil society is rooted in a shared commitment to "live and let live." If you're not forcing anything on me, th
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> So would you do away with policing of injuries and injustices? "Policing" should be limited to people who force things on you. If you followed Katie without being forced to do so, then I say you should police yourself. > And so can those of us who have felt deeply harmed by Ms. Katie's mind control tactics. If our speaking up results in her being subjected to societa
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QuoteThe AnticultBut the intent is clear, its meant to be close to the last step in the process, where Byron Katie takes over, by sweeping away even your most cherished beliefs. Our "cherished beliefs" have a most profound affect on our lives. It's entirely in our own power, and our own responsibility, to examine these beliefs, observe their effects, and decide whether or hold th
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Quotehelpme2timesJust how are any of us using force here, Stu? We are speaking up. That is all. When you advocate brining in the government to shut down "unlicensed abusive group psychotherapy" (as is being done repeatedly in this thread), you're advocating the use of force. The government has men with guns, and it operates with force and threats of force. (Katie's org, on t
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QuoteThe AnticultComplaints can protect future consumers from also being victims of unlicensed abusive group psychotherapy, due to warnings received. Consumer Activism can force abusive organizations to be less harmful, and protect other consumers from sustaining damage that can last for years. Please post and link to this information in relevant locations. Another alternative would be to try
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QuoteThe AnticultPeople should be highly critical and suspicious of all of these hundreds of Gurus trying to sell you enlightenment and promising to END SUFFERING. You should be highly suspicious of that. (its a scam, of course). All scams are dependent on our own wants. If we want something, then we can be trapped by whoever promises to sell it to us. It's much much much more effective to
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QuoteThe AnticultThe average person needs to know that Byron Katie is not just some kooky old lady yacking away. She is a master hypnotist, and mass persuader, very sophisticated and technical. Its all detailed in these threads. I'm not sure that "hypnotism" is a term that's ever been rigorously defined scientifically. Surely, for the vast majority of people in this discuss
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