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In a letter dated Oct. 13, the First Presidency wrote: Dear Brothers and Sisters: We have repeatedly warned of the risks inherent in participating in so-called "self-awareness" groups sponsored by commercial enterprises that promise heightened self-esteem, improved family relationships, and increased spirituality. It has come to our attention that some of these enterprises con
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Mbartz462, >>Talked to my friend from Quest again<< I am sure there will be others who will drop out of Lift-Off, sick of the pressure to recruit, and who begin to see the money scam run by these con artists a long history of unpaid bills, bounced checks, unpaid employees (I'll bet Ward doesn't get his Christmas check again -- Hans loves to laugh behind his back about
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>>Pamela's rage is, in part, I think, the result of her seeing Hans lie, cheat, steal, and so clearly demonstrate his contempt for the trainees behind their backs. << I want to add to that. It should be, Pamela's rage is, in part, I think, the result of her seeing Hans lie, cheat, steal, and so clearly demonstrate his contempt for the trainees, the office staff, the v
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>> Hans is money hungry and is starting to fall apart physically. Do you think it's because he is 'out of alignment'? Sally is a vindictive manipulator who will betray you and slander you if she cannot use you for her gain.<< This is what I have seen first hand there as well. Hans had a heart-attack and was gone for awhile in 1995/1996 if I remember correctly. Mik
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>>and Lift Off, $125. This has got to be a typographical error. The cost of Lift Off was likely more like $725 than $125 at the time.<< Not a typo. Back in the day, LO was kinda like LMT/TIT 3 is today. Part of the "cost" was not in $$$ but in the "energy exchange" (staffing and enrolling, attending meetings, doing various meditations, etc, etc, etc.).
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Mother of Impactees, It'll turn out okay, eventually. After the Bergers feel they have taken all the money they can from your kids, and after they feel they have pressured them to enrol everyone they could possibly enrol, or staff as a volunteer all they could possibly staff, they will cast them aside. Unless before that your kids encounter some obvious lack of integrity first -- anothe
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>>but in reality, he "stole" the whole training from another training group called Landmark<< Not Landmark -- Life Spring, a "training" company started by John Hanley, Bob White and others in the 1970s. See: and However, I know Sally Berger and Mike Cordell (who ran Harmony before the Jubacks, and claimed he gave Hans about $500,000 before filing
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>>not to be an "Obtuse Stickler<<< LOL. Wondering if that was your Summit Alternative Name?!?! :) Ed
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>>Hope, thanks for the reply. What is LMT?<< It's Hans' and Sally's made up religion, using a bit of this, and a bit of that; mostly new age stuff from Wicca (the nature religion of Old England), and crystals, chanting, holding wooden staffs (because that's all Jesus told his disciples they would need in the world. decrees, declarations, affirmations, and entrai
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and what happened to the hotel and restaurant three story (taller than the Draper temple) training center they were building last year? Maybe they don't have a waitlist because they're putting in 300 a month now?!?! :) --Ed
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Maybe it's their awful yellow billboard that's scaring people away. Saw it on the way home from visiting a cousin tonight. Looks like Sally designed it based on her colors of abundance lecture.
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>>but they are not all motivated out of light and love that they preach.<< :) Here is the understatement of the forum award of the day!! --Ed
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>> My significant other is LMT 3 and trying to get me to jump on board.<< What's missing from the rest of your post is the realization that this relationship is doomed. Your sigother will choose LMT 3 over you, you will be cast off as being in darkness, unless he/she bails soon; and chances are will get involved only with other LMT3ers from now on, regardless of prohibitions
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>>If the processes were used in a smaller group therapy session, run by professional therapists - maybe they would not seem contrived and artificial<< They are used in lots of other places. Some are part of various youth leadership experiences (one of our teenagers just did a ropes course (with the perch, wall and trust falls) as part of his role as a student body officer), I did
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>>I gained insight about myself through some of those things - insight that was built upon throughout my life.<< I think most of us here felt that way for awhile. I suppose it's possible I've forgotten the "good stuff." I wonder if we agree that Impact does more harm than good? And to what degree. I'm at 99 percent harm, 1 percent lasting value, and
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PS Here's another good question for a Quest trainee to ask: "You mean if my Bishop or a General Authority, or the President of the Church, or my husband, or wife, or dying mother, or a policeman or judge orders me to talk about exactly what happened in here, including the processes or what someone else said to me, I have to tell them I can't tell them? Is that what you'
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Espiritu, >>get off stealing ideas that may be good and healthy and meaningful and claiming to have invented them - and then making them unappealing. << To be clear, I do not agree that any of the core processes used/stolen/slightly modified by Hans/Sally/Pamela or Orvis/McDonald/ etc are at all "good and healthy and meaningful." From the trust walk, to buddies, t
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Ditto to Former's comments above. I've posted before that I got some value out of Impact, some friends (including some new ones from here) who I would not otherwise have. An appreciation for John Denver and other music that I'd never otherwise have heard, a few good memories that can make me laugh or cry for joy. I believe, that said, that we all also agree that this organiz
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Don't forget that Impacted Water has had affirmations, decrees, declarations and nice music played over it. Then it was frozen into perfect crystals with thoughts of love, and gently thawed out at room temperature. That makes the water much, much better for you . . . see? Believe it is so, and it is! Harmless Hans will prove this by drinking snake poison that's been decreed
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>>Their marketing is wrong and deceitful. << It is sick. Find your "inner child -- We beat you so hard and so loud that you won't even be able to hear it scream." >>Is there any chance of a class action lawsuit? << Hans goes through cash like (as my cousin in Alabama used to say) shit through a pig. (My mom used to get so mad when she'd say
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In shock, Wondering if you're doing okay? Anything we/I can do to help? Yes. Help. Concernedforall, Shasta just keeps getting weirder and weirder every year as far as I can tell. Hopefully Geraldo, or someone like him, will take a hidden camera in there someday, like he did for Lifespring, and shut it down once and for all. Otherwise, "normal" people just hav
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Ex, >> Reserve a seat by contacting Lea at 801-409-5172 or online at www.bankofutah.com.<< Might not be able to shut down Impact this week, but if all of us call Lea at The Bank of Utah, and ask for the name and number of her supervisor (and enough others to be sure we find ONE not in the cult) we might get some useful practice at shutting this all down. Wonder if the InShock
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Why is the Bank of Utah associated with Harmony/Great Life??? Do they know it's a cult? Is this more Brett Harward BS? I recommend calling the Bank of Utah to move your business elsewhere if they refuse to repudiate doing business with this cult. >>> The Bank of Utah is sponsoring a free seminar for business owners and managers on how to build brand awareness and sales throu
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>>Has anyone here taken any steps to shut Impact down? That would be the ultimate goal, right? << Impact has been "shut down" / gone bankrupt several times. Impact Inc, became Impact International, which was reincorporated as the Harmony Institute "offering the Impact Trainings," then back to Impact again. Hans and Sally were out of business for about two
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bobnar, it's clear that one's mastery of life is measured by one's ability to enroll -- level of mastery = measurable results of enrolling. The more you enroll the more you have mastered life. So there is a not-too-subtle hiearchy of those in LMT. Hans and Sally at the top (becasue they have enrolled everyone. Without them no one would be here (there)), then the top enro
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Too late to edit, typo below: This shows us as "processing" trainees should have been "This shows up as "processing" trainees" ---Ed
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>>Are Impact trainees really taught there is no good or bad? Are they really taught there is no such thing as hope?<< In an earlier post, maybe a year ago, I proposed that we take the best of the best from these 100+ pages and post it somewhere here to help people like you looking for information. It's just someone needs to do that work. And, frankly, we're all sick
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Catbus, >>Are both Impact and Harmony/Great Life owned by Hans and Sally Berger?<< They were until August 2001 when there was a purge. You can read about that where a copy of the Salt Lake Tribune article was posted here: Sally and others were arrested for breaking and entering, and theft of stuff from their former building, had to go before a judge. Of course Hans was
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>>Underneath it all she is an uneducated twit.<< Whatever happened to Terri Smart? Or Shannon Woody? Or all the others they have "trained" to be Summit Trainers over the years? If Ward and Pamela had stayed with Harmony in September 2001, as Ward told me they were thinking about doing at the time, I wonder if Hans and company would be in business today. ----Ed
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