QuoteS_Byers666* AsiaWorks (1993, Jim Cook, Amelia Davis), is linked with - ArgentinaWorks, - ChileWorks (Gabriel Nosevich from Lifespring), - WorldWorks ... formerly Lifespring DC (Lisa Kalman and Gabriel Nosevich from Lifespring), - The Legacy Center ... formerly Lifespring North Carolina, - Essential Education ... formerly Lifespring Florida, and also - Humanus Institute - Formerly
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Here's a link to the video mentioned in the article: By the way, the music is not quite the Misison Impossible theme, at least not the one written by Lalo Schifrin for the TV series. Schifrin's theme was in 5/4, while the music for the video on youtube is in 4/4.
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I just found a previous thread about Momentum Education:
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I recently heard someone speaking about Momentum Education and it sounded suspicously similar to Lifespring and Landmark. Can anyone report on any experience they've had with this organization? Here's a link to their website:
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QuotekialnI would appreciate it if you would remove the link to my blog, if you want to keep my quotes thats fine, but please do remove the link. Thanks. If you don't want anyone to link to your blog then I suggest you remove it. The whole point of the internet is to make information freely available. Nobody gets to restrict anyone else from linking to material on the internet.
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QuoteelenaI hope she comes to her senses sooner rather than later. So do I, but I'm not optimistic.
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QuoteskepticIt seems to slide under the radar, and it's disturbing how many celebrity types and other notables endorse and rave about it. Take a look at their board of advisors:
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After a few days of telephone tag the singer called me yesterday and we spoke for about 20 minutes. I had prepared myself by deciding that I would listen to what she had to say, respond accordingly, and not attempt to convince her of anything. She started off my discussing what I had raised about her name, telling me the literal meaning of the name. I told that she had told me that she had told m
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The singer has left me email and phone messages saying that she'd like to talk, and it looks like it will be today or tomorrow. I'll let you know how it goes.
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Just to clarify the history, I sent a letter to the singer on 9/11/06 (which I believe I did not post in this forum), but I did not send the letter I posted in this forum in the middle of October. Thus the previous letter to which I refer in my letter of 12/11/06 is the letter of 9/11/06.
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Today I sent the following letter to the singer in my band: QuoteI’m writing you to tell you that despite how much I enjoy working with you, despite how talented I feel you are as a singer, and despite how much as I like you personally, I am experiencing a serious conflict about hiring you for the upcoming performance, for the following reasons: 1) Your continuing participation in Landmark, 2)
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QuoteS_Byers666See: Although their bios don't mention it, Chris Gentry and Jim Cook are both former Lifespring trainers.
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QuoteShrimpboatPersonally, after doing only a bit of cursory research on LEC and finding so much negative info, I can't imagine why ANYBODY would get involved in this. I mean, if the course costs several hundred bucks, don't people even read up on it before they go? Just a simple google search brings up this website straight away. But if somebody you really trust gives you the hard-s
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QuoteLoelaConcerned friend, I agree with everyone else who posted. Probably should let her go. Having had my own Landmark experiences I tried to maintain contact with some Landmark-made friends while pushing away from Landmark in general and it didn't work out. Often I think this way, but she is an excellent singer for my group, I like working with her, and, very importantly, she has never
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I am considering sending the following letter to the singer in my group. What do you think? QuoteIn my previous letter to you I wrote that I was not finding as much to write as I thought I would have. I believe that I now know what I was missing. Since telling you my Lifespring story in the fall of 2004, I have assumed that you understood my view of Lifespring and other similar organization
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This is my first post in this thread since May 10th. The singer who left my band for a full-time position in Landmark is no longer an employee of the company, but she says that she will continue as a Course Supervisor and an Introduction Leader for the near future. She also said that while she had thought that she was going to become a Forum Leader, she has come to realize how important music is
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I downloaded the video again and once more DivX tells me it is corrupt. Any suggestions?
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I found DivX at but it tells me that video file I downloaded appears to be corrupt. Any suggestions other than downloading it again?
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Quotegourous2004http://www.archive.org/details/Gourous I downloaded the file, but when I play it on my Mac with Quicktime or RealPlayer I hear the audio but don't see the video. Any suggestions?
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QuoteGulab JamonApparently there is a schism between The Ayn Rand Institute in Marina Del Rey, California, (the group led by Leonard Peikoff) and the Objectivists, who are based in NYC. One group is very much into preserving Rand's legacy and ideas with no room for reinterpretation, whereas the other group is more into using Rand's philosophy to interpret modern-day events. Unfort
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I wish I knew the answer to your second question. For the first, see this article: By the way, I'm still interested in reading how people got out.
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Here's a link to the book at amazon.com:
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QuoteelenaDon't know how much looking around you've done but if you missed Carol Giambalvo's site, it's a good one. Her "deconstruction" of the Hunger Project is a mini-deconstruction of est/Landmark itself. (She was threatened with the removal of her website by AOL if she didn't take the essay down. AOL caved to the Werner-clone thugs. Anyway, the essay is
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Let's remember that "commitment" and "authentic" are important concepts, even if those concepts are corrupted by Landmark and other cults.
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I just came across an extensive interview with John Hanley, founder of Lifespring, which you can find here: In the interview John Hanley refers to Asiaworks as well as his current organization, Leadership Training and Development Group, which works with businesses:
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QuoteLoelaNote to Concernedfriend, at work we had to participate a LGAT seminar called "Act One." One of the principles we are expected to follow at work is 'presume innocence.' Is it too late to do that in your case? Maybe she is stressed and feels the kindest and most ethical thing to do is to back out now? Can you give her the benefit of the doubt, or do you feel like sh
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QuoteCruisaderWhat do you guys think of their petition? Less emphasis on bringing guests? That's funny. I suspect that Landmark will make sure to crush the revolt (i.e., in Landmark-speak, to not allow a clearing for the possibility of that conversation).
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Yesterday I received a phone message from my singer telling me that she has no time available to prepare for the gig at the end of June so she won't be able to do the gig. It looks like things are coming to a head very quickly.
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For all of you who have been involved with Landmark or est or Lifespring or any other LGAT, how did you get out? Here's my story: In the summer of 1988 my wife and I were on the team to build and staff a special Lifespring training for educators. I had taken the basic training in 1985 and then the advanced course, the leadership program, and several workshops. I went to guest events al
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QuoteMaggieConcernedFriend, Like all cults, the inductee will eventually "shun" and separate from those that do not adopt the same philosophy. Therefore, if she doesn't get the hell outa LE, she will most probably eventually leave the band. I'm sure that you're right. The singer in my band has not badgered me about Landmark. She invited me to an introduction a
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