Oh, yes, psychosis seems like a dream or - more like a movie - that should have a proper end and meaning - others why go through all that???!!! I'm sorry I gave so much detail, it is quite natural after or during a psychosis to look for meanings in things that don't really have a meaning, or to make irrelevant things more meaningful to yourself. I am quite envious that you got origin
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David R, I hope I didn't inadvertantly say something to offend you? If not I hope you're okay out there, and are absent due to more interesting things going in your world. Thank you for your posts here, I found them quite helpful.
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SeanK, I'm not sure whether your post is tongue-in-cheek or not: QuoteIn the final analysis, I would argue that landmark is selling personal transformation at $1,500 a hit, and does not deliver on its promises. Are you saying its just a cheap version of a really bad cult? Or not a cult and therefore not a problem? Or not a cult but still a problem? Your arguments are: QuoteLandma
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That's brilliant, I never knew about the Medical Health Professionals Council - I will definitely write to them, thanks! My psychosis was pretty bad, I thought I was dead through most of it, on a platform in between other lives, and I had to save a whole lot of people if I wanted to go back into my own life instead of another one that I had a glimpse of and was horrifying. The catch was
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To what extent is your life on hold? Have you had to stop work or studies or anything like that? I don't have any great advice about the daily things... looking back everything I could say would just sound stupid and trivial, psychosis is that horrific. I'd say any way you find to scramble yourself out of it and struggle on for the next year or so is fine, just don't expect
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No need to feel stupid about falling for it - they design their trap specifically for intelligent, motivated people with good relationships and reasonable income, so its a kind of back-handed compliment that you got caught. With Landmark I think you have some chance of getting them shut down. If you haven't already seen it, there is the story and video of Landmark France being shutdown
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Hello, I'm sorry to hear that's happened. I'm not really active here anymore, I just stop by on holidays :) I'm afraid I haven't been able to find any formal organisation or person here in Johannesburg (or anywhere in South Africa) who can help specifically with cult or lgat type problems, who has that kind of training and knowledge - what kind of help or advice are
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Hello. I can relate to a lot of what you're saying here. Two thoughts spring to mind: 1. Yes, introverted people are at a disadvantage in these things. Firstly, the true purpose of the damn things is to create salespeople for the courses, and introverts generally don't make good sales people. Secondly, the defining characteristic of introverts is that they re-charge their ba
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I only saw Nettie's message after I'd posted mine, and I agree with her 100%. There is also a really superficial joy, joy, joy, love, love, love, passion, passion, passion aspsects to the lgats. Life is supposed to be about "Experience" and "Love" so you're kind of expected to go around showing extreme emotions. In general, I'd say most of what looks like
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Hello skeptical_one, Two psychiatrists I have spoken to about lgats have said that the cults trigger or exacerbate bipolar / manic depression, and that people who do have a mood disorder should absolutely stay away from them. My personal view, based on many months of reading, talking to other people who've been involved in lgats, and my own experience, is that courses are specifical
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Quotethinkitfirst She is now in a very vulnerable position, with self doubts, etc. There is also some confusion about the good moments (highs). My feeling is that she is trying to rationalize the experience, but it isn't working for her. think first The problem with rationalizing is that it takes the emotions out of things, and thereby makes them smaller. What they do on inquest can ne
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Hello thinkitfirst, I see its been a week since your last message and another week since the seminar, so hopefully your girlfriend is more stable by now? If its any reassurance, it is "normal" for people to be non-functional after inquest and if it is a "bad" inquest (which this one must've been for it to end early), then it is normal for them to be panicky. It sou
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PS What's with the universal "we"? QuoteBoonetahoeThe corollary to this principle is that, left to the whimsy of life’s experience, people are likely to become self-sabotaging, prickly and sometimes pathological beings. To some degree, we all agree with this idea. We all agree that life itself isn’t a sufficient teacher. Expressing your own opinion as if it is a universally
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Thanks for the new software and all the work you all do here. Now is as good a time to tell you (moderators and Rick Ross, if you're listening, as well as everyone else): I am healthier, saner and happier than I've been since I first stumbled into an lgat - all due to this site (and some good friends). The site has provided solid information in the database and an excellent for
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QuoteBoonetahoeIn fact, I believe that if a panel of mental health professionals were to review this board -- say licensed psychologists -- they would likely reach the conclusion that many of the most prolific posters here “could use some help.” It’s perhaps noteworthy that one of the common themes on this board is that LGATs aren’t necessary and that the world would be better off if they were ou
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Hello weiji, thank you for all the information you've added here and for stating the problems so clearly. If you haven't already seen this, there are some good suggestions here for helping people in cults (they apply equally well to people in lgats): During your research into crisis = danger + opportunity did you see this article, written by a Sinologist? QuoteThanks f
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Enviro_cop, thanks for this: QuoteMilton H. Erickson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_H._Erickson) used stories that used metaphors to plant ideas or thoughts into the unconscious mind. The stories would typically ramble and allow the subject to go into a trance where certain words were emphasized. I think NLP was developed on his model of hypnotherapy. There is way too much to describe he
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People can only be responsible within the context of known facts and consequences. When someone attends a personal growth course, generally accepted to be a good thing, and has what feels like and appears to be a good experiences (without knowing what coercive persuasion is or that they were subject to it) and that person then recommends the same course to a friend or family member, then I can&
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Zorro, QuoteI even stopped dreaming when I was asleep. I discussed this with another Lekkie when I first started Landmark and she was experiencing the same thing. I've started having dreams now that I've left Landmark. Some are quite disturbing I often wake up with sweat soaked clothes. This used to not happen, not with the temp I keep my place at night. Anyone else experience th
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:roll: Sorry... posted on wrong thread again...
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Zorro, QuoteI even stopped dreaming when I was asleep. I discussed this with another Lekkie when I first started Landmark and she was experiencing the same thing. I've started having dreams now that I've left Landmark. Some are quite disturbing I often wake up with sweat soaked clothes. This used to not happen, not with the temp I keep my place at night. Anyone else experience th
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Forgot to say, maybe your hallucinations were the combination of stress and the visual strain of focussing on the road, through oncoming headlights, when you were also tired?
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Zorro, QuoteOn the last full day of the Advanced Communications course the instructor had us do an exercise where we closed our eyes and did some sort of regression. This was towards the end of the evening on Sunday. The instructor asked class if they had noticed or felt anything. Some people had. One person said that she thought she saw God! I wonder if closing your eyes and graphically i
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Yes, and aside from the general confusion on Quest basic in South Africa there is a process where two people sit in a dyad for up to two hours, have to maintain eye contact for all that time while answering emotionally draining and frustrating questions that appear to have no answer. This is at the end of the three day seminar, when people are already tired and confused. Once people get the
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Of all- ? You think its a joke that people's relationships get fucked up by a brainwashing money-making bunch of pseudo-scientific pop-psychology scam-artist bullshit? What are you - an idiot, or a psychopath? Did you try reading up on what an lgat is, and how it works, before you waved your stupid opinions around like some kind of drunken cowboy?
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Funny. On Quest/est basic the trainer thundered "YOUR BELIEFS ARE FUCKING UP YOUR LIFE...YOU NEED EIGHT HOURS OF SLEEP?! ITS ONLY A BELIEF!! WHY ARE YOU LIMITING YOUR LIFE AND POTENTIAL!!!". *cough* Maybe if I went back and re-did the basic I'd get some tips... like... every time the trainer says something is only a belief there is a clue as to which particular brai
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Jeri, I think you're right, we all just bond (falsely) with our own groups and it doesn't bring us any closer to people on the outside, whether they also did the training or not. That's why I don't think its worthwhile for spouses and partners to go off and do the training just to try to save the marriage, it just creates another set of intimacy outside the marriage instead o
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Quote SaneAgain wrote: QuoteAt Impact do they also give "I Am A Man" and "I Am A Woman" type contracts? I'd love to hear more about these. Who are you contracting with? Is it the same for gay and straight people? The contract is with your new "self" to govern how you live the rest of your life. Its given in contrast to your
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Skeptic, that's really dreadful, especially since it sounds you were good friends and close before. Do you think its possible that she used CONtext ideology to help her cope with your dad dying, and now its all tangled up? So the same way his dying jolted you out of it, maybe it jolted her more into it? May I ask, how long ago did this happen?
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Skeptic, did you and your sister go through CONtext at the same time, on the same courses? Or did one of you go through first and recruit the other?
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