QuoteformerimpactgradI've seen Hans, Sally and a few of the other trainers encourage divorces on more than one occasion. It was usually done behind closed doors (because not supporting marriages or attempting to be spiritual leaders would cause HUGE problems with the LDS church), but there were a few times when I heard trainers talk idly about specific couples and their problems in more pub
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With all of the talk about the trainers and staff I was doing some snooping on the internet. Impact may have taken down their trainers page, but I did find pictures of them all with their profiles on zoominfo.com I was able to look up Pamela Bushman, Ward Bushman, Sally Berger, Hans Berger, Jackie Christiansen, Val Andreason, David Berger, Justin Atkinson, Terri Smart, and Jim Condie. I can&
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Quotedamagedbyassociation My wife and I have discussed the impact of Impact quite a lot at this point (if you don't know or remember my story/background on this go to page 36). She has agreed that Impact was horrible, although at our first REAL counseling session with a REAL counselor, she was still touting all of the "good" that she got from Impact, which infuriated me b
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QuotePassionate I promise this isn't a religious discussion, but Impact seems to dabble in that field a bit so I thought I'd bring this up. One thing I have wanted to discuss is the "I AM" statement made in Summit. Pamela would say "I Am that I Am" while pointing to a trainee. The way she said it implied that Jesus would be pointing to any one of us and saying &q
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Quoteformerimpactgrad Of course the contradiction still exists! The insinuation in lifeboat was not that Jesus was perfect so giving up his life made a difference but rather that Jesus' life was valuable and the Lifeboat trainees' lives were not. The example used in Lifeboat only works if the implication is that the trainees' lives have absolutely no value! I couldn't have
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QuoteHope&Joy Afterall, to quote someone they were ALWAYS quoting: "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13. Apparently, you can only quote from Him when it served their purpose. Actually, I heard this addressed many times during the lifeboat experience. I only bring this up to point out the stark contradiction that was
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QuotePassionateEximpact, I find your banter and passion endearing. You really do feel strongly in victims. If they keep seeing themselves as victims they will remain that way for a longer period of time. In your psychology studies I'm sure you have come across that fact. Ok don't answer them. Either way I have to live with my own reality. Thanks for the compassion. I can see fr
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QuoteRswintersQuoteexImpactQuoteRswintersQuoteexImpactFollow this link if you would like to see what I did last night. (I inverted the colors to avoid infringing on copyright) :D Can you modify the image to have LGAT versus I being only in the cross hiars in this image? In my case it would have a K in the cross hairs. But, as I have discovered its not just Klemmer, or Impact that nee
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QuoteHopeful SoulFor those disaffected mastery level graduates that still have any latent god like powers, you know what you need to do. Are you being sarcastic, if not, I can't find any reason why you would suggest something like this. I left Impact because I finally saw through their crap! I was in TIT 3 for over 3 years and after leaving the insanity I would never THINK about using a
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Now that I think about it, Hans's friend may not be in TIT 3. I know for sure he did the core trainings and I thought I heard rumours that he went on to TIT 1, but I'm not quite sure.
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QuoteGlaucon My family was introduced to Impact by friends, and many people are "recruited" to the Berger's cult by friends and family with the guilt ridden "do you trust me" approach. But I wonder how many Utah doctors or therapists have irresponsibly "recommended" Impact as a form of therapy? How many brainwashed mental therapists are in LGAT's like Impa
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QuoteoutofimpactThank you for working to share with those of us who want to heal from LGAT trainings. When I attended Inner Woman I, we were supposed to come back to the center dressed in our "finest". There were women who spent alot of money to do that. I borrowed one of my "stretch group's" gowns to be dressed better than I owned. One woman, who was 60+ came i
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I was just thinking back to some of the wierd things that were said in TIT 3. I know, if I tried to remember everything I would be thinking a long time. But, does anyone remember Hans talking about the sun being cold and flat? I think he said something like it being a myth that it was hot because even though it appeared to be like fire it is actually protecting the location of the central sun
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QuoteEyeswideopenI have a friend who attended the previous iimpact now called New Era Trainings, is this the same as the "seminars" basically in Utah? My friend is completely in denial, it is sad.. Can anyone send me more information so I might try to show him proof that this is a cult? This is what little information I have and granted some of it may not be completely accurate, but
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Quoterrmoderatorformerimpactgrad: Did some checking. Otter and beaver1 apparently are the same person. Posting under more than one name is a violation of the rules. Otter and beaver1 have both been banned from this board. Thank you. After reading Otter's last post I realized that giving the benefit of the doubt to any graduate of any LGAT that is unwilling to look at the fact
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QuoteOtterHow do you reconcile that with what you know now, and how you chose to live for so long, years in most cases? Don't you want to kick your own butts for buying into their stuff and living it for so long? Yeah, I want to kick myself in the butt. There are days when I'm so upset about how I treated my family and friends during the years I was with Impact that I do everything
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QuoteexImpact In TIT3 there are two pictures displayed at the front of class. There are actually three pictures in the front of the room. The third one is that Thomas Kinkade painting of the hillside with the cross at the top. I always thought it was kinda strange that they had this picture and then denied the veracity of the atonement. I guess it was supposed to represent how we're all
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Quoteformerimpactgrad I AM the violet flame in action in me now I AM the violet flame to light alone I bow I AM the violet flame in mighty cosmic power I AM the light of God shining every hour I AM the violet flame blazing like the sun I AM God's sacred power freeing everyone . I am the might magic pillar of light protection about me, surrounded by the blue flame of beloved
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Obviously my busy days at work have left me behind as far as the conversation goes on this message board. As I was reading through and catching up there are many things that crossed my mind that I wanted to say. Instead of quoting and responding I'll do my best to convey my general feelings and thoughts on what has been said recently. There are many things about the office staff that th
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My name is "spiritual?" and I'm an...wait...I am an inspiring, radiant...wait...I am being...wait...I have been through Quest, Summit, Lift-off, TIT 1-3, Inner Woman 1-2, the family training, and I've staffed almost all of these along with some of the teen trainings. I've been reading this forum for quite a few months and until now have been too insecure, unsure of what
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