It's ok man. You don't need to send me the book. And no hard feelings. No hard feelings. I get your point. But you'd be hard-pressed to get much of a direct citation for shit that was done in private, often through letters or audio recordings, many if not all destroyed by now some 30 years later. I appreciate the gesture of the copy of the book, but I'm not likely goi
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Yeah, you can tell by Butler's "spaced out" look that he's really deep in thought about how he can jump in on this "guru gig"... Yes, Butler was very opposed to the idea of an "appointed" guru. I remember that very vividly. Ironically, in Gaudiya Matha this was a standard practice to this very day—a guru in these Krishna cults is 9 out of 10 mostly appoi
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XKRISHNA, thousands worldwide. At least 2000 more like 5000 last I heard. Many in Poland, Southeast Asia all through the Americas. Most are uninitiated since Butler is a recluse now. Many are completely unaware of anything more than they are part of a "yoga" group and pay to go to assorted classes and events. But many are free and open to the public. It's largely benign. Vege food,
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Shoot. I'm an idiot for thinking that occasionally posting here helps ex-members or those looking to get out or in the process of being sucked in...
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Stupid is as stupid does.
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If you say you believe me, then believe me. He stated and thought of his his followers ase idiots. And I could not agree more with that sentiment. Anyone in this day and age who still follows this guy, gives him money and has not seen through his BS is an unfortunate fool. Anyone who believes, or believed this guy and served and worshipped him is a sad misguided person. If anyone comes her
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I hear ya. and so here it is: "All of my disciples are idiots and making me sick!!!" —Parama Vaishnava His Divine Disgrace Jagad Guru Siddhswarupananda Paramahamsa Srila Prabhupada (AKA Chris Burler the Great) (jagardguruchrisbutlercansuckmyballs.com) Now it exists. And trust me. It happened. There is tons of shit that is not documents in this world. Like Bhaktisiddhanta t
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Like I said, I don't have a citation. Like I said it's for the reasons mentioned above. Hopefully, for those coming to this forum, the 800 plus Pages here of various testimony, both mine and literally hundreds of others, is enough to convince them to leave this cult. That is my true and only hope for those who are still in it or who are considering to get into it.
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XKRISHNA I don't. There are 837 pages of testimony, documents, recordings, posts, links, and so on on this forum. I suppose you could start from page one to find the many citations of Butler's attitude towards his followers and closest disciples. Butler was often making elaborate efforts to scrub any record or proof of their less-than-savory attitudes, actions, and words. When
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Chris Butler was right about one thing and one thing only when he regularly spewed,"my disciples are all idiots". Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupanada paramahamsa, gurudev of Tulsi Gabbard, was right about that, no question.
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Just putting this where it belongs:
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Worth a read:
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A few days ago was the disappearance day of Bindeshwar Pathak (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/16/bindeshwar-pathak-toilet-man-who-revolutionised-sanitation-in-india-dies-at-80), who has accomplished more than Chaitanya, the 6 Goswamis, Bhaktivedanta swami, and Butler combined... You know what India has always struggled with and lacked? Toilet access. This prabhu helped to try to
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There's no scriptural injunction for half the stuff they believe and do. NONE. All made up BS. Whenever there is some new belief or ritual introduced it's based on some vision or dream or all of a sudden some miraculous previously undiscoved "scripture" pops out of thin air in support of it all. It's a fucking joke amigos. And when you call them on it you're a hindup
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Of course he would not reply. He's a world class loser and coward of the highest order.
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They should write a letter to him and they should question him Point by point on his actions starting from the late sixties all the way till now. It would be as long as his kitchen policy list.
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What a great comment: Taking the wool off to reveal the wolf she is. Like Butler hiding behind sweet krisna blah blah blah, everyone sees him for who he is. Those that still follow him are lost, sad, and beyond repair.
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KRS ONE exposes hare krishna recruitment tactics here. Basically: We'll feed you if you help us recruit people... A multi-billion dollar organization that blows millions on building fancy temples to their colorful cast of mythological gods and sending their sanyasi gurus all around the world to tell people to chant a random mantra as well as get fed, massaged, bought expensive clothing and l
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Jai! I recall hearing stories like this and in my brainwashed head this all sounded gloriously kosher: The most dramatic incidents of Viswambhar’s life may be said to have taken place in the period between his return from Gaya (January–February 1509) and his accepting sanyas (roughly a year later). One major development that commenced soon after his return from Gaya was the holding of nocturna
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Hi Corboy, Yes, that is the book. Of many many that I have read. And I can post dozens of such nuggets of culty goodness. Ironically, the books are not even biased or against Chaitanya Vaishnavism or Bengal Vaishnava cults. Just reporting things "as is". If anything they praise the epileptic charismatic religious cult leader in broader terms as far as social-political aspects are con
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From Chaitanya:a life and legacy: "Above all, Chaitanya consistently entertained a Brahmanical fear of the temptations of the female body and would come down very harshly on a follower who had violated the rules of male continence. In one such tragic instance, a devotee by the name of Choto Haridas (Haridas Jr.) was banished permanently from the community for daring to beg for some rice f
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I think the main issue with post vedic India is that Puranic Hinduism or "Santana dharma" aimed to assimilate too much all at once in an effort either to be more universally acceptable/appealing or avoid conflict with an expanding philosophically rigorous environment (hence making any Buddha into their vishnu and any Shankar into their shiva). Myth and ritual were fine for early tribes
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Religious fanatics at their best:
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I've been saying this for a long time:
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Power:
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I guess devotees are really getting bent out of shape about the oppenheimer movie. I guess there's a scene in the movie where he's having sex and it involves the gita, which he apparently had some sort of fascination for. You know, because there's no shortage of Hindu temples depicting all manner of sex and scriptural verses speaking of all types of sex acts with both humans of sam
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Devotees always claim that there are words in Sanskrit that have no translation in the English language. That somehow due to this purported lacking, this is the result of many devotees not understanding scripture properly and why the scriptures have been translated in so many different ways without agreeing on any single one point. Well I think other languages besides Sanskrit which nobody und
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Culthusiast Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Some good puranic news for Japa das Joseph Bismark > and Vijay Eswaran: > > 28 Deadly Punishments Mentioned in Garuda Puran of > Hinduism > > > > QuoteSucimukham(Tortured by needles) > CRIME: Not doing good and amassing wealth by wrong > doings and stealing wealth, not buyi
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