This strikes me as dishonest at best. what metanoia said is spot on. The school leads people in by lying about what goes on there, they don't tell the truth about what the organization really does. There was a SUICIDE by at least one student (POSSIBLY ON HIDDEN VALLEY, THE PROPERTY IN AUSTRALIA) that you may not know about but which WE DO and which is very much covered up from you kn
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also check out this thread, once unknown to me, now found. there are interesting details there about the building of an underground hotel they constructed at the school.
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I actually just learned about this thread now. I'd never seen it before. I'm kind of amazed by that. here is a link to the 2 other threads on the forum
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To follow up to my previous post, if you are on good terms with the teachers of the school and they like you and you are showing that you like and support clairvision/Samuel’s beliefs and practices and indicate that you are entirely behind the school you will get more support. If you are experiencing extreme distress and asking for support from the teachers and then indicate that you don’t
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I'm deeply concerned for your sister's safety and have to say that this may not be so rare as you and your mother are being led to believe. It could be that many people experience some mental health issues after trying Samuel's teachings or learning and using the techniques offered at the clairvision school and there is no support network or safety net offered to students who d
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check out the new thread if you haven't already, as the conversation continues. I actually didn't even know this alternate thread existed so that's why I posted this link, it is also on the cult education forum here on this website.
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This was a lot of information and I feel also a very accurate appraisal of Clairvision, Trixy. It also feels accurate and in line with what I heard and saw when I was there and it was a refreshing read. I'm sure it will help others to see Clairvision for what it is and also be helpful for those who have left to reaffirm their own experiences and make sense of them. Thank you for sharing.
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Could you please share your personal perspective on the power of the point and IST as it’s presented as opposed to how they actually operate? I’m curious and I’d like to hear more about these topics from other people and welcome hearing about the experiences from anyone who feels they have something to add.
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Could you share more. I’ve been active on these forums for years and also feel I’ve been swindled badly. For a significant amount of money as well. What was your experience like with teachers and ist practitioners? Did you ever meet Samuel Sagan? Were you the subject of slander by teachers and CV staff to other students and discredited to your friends within the school? I think I was I
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Thank you so much for your wonderful contribution. I have found your sharing to be deeply meaningful. I'm so glad you have contributed to the forum so now others can see you're clearly well thought out words. I have found them valuable and helpful to me and I'm sure that others will as well. overlandtraveler Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I
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wow. overland traveller. that's a lot, and great stuff as well.
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that's a fair point but I myself have often wondered if its really hypnosis or if you're just entering into an altered state of consciousness based on the possibility of humans entering into trance like or altered states of mind. a hypnotic state is an artificially induced state of consciousness where as a trance is not necessarily a state that is requiring outside influence and can
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GROK!!!!!!!! Good for you! You did such a good job in posting all this! Wow, I am SO impressed by you. this is great material and I'm so happy that you brought all this to the forum so other people can see it. By the way, I have gotten a lot of random messages from random users since I started posting and especially in this last several weeks since you hit the forums with your big
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this has happened to me too. weird that its happened to both of us. the same thing happens when I click too many times and try to log in to my online banking. I wonder why. probably just a weird computer glitch from clicking too fast.
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hahahaha these guys were wild! I had forgotten about them and just saw your post! can you find the documentary anywhere thats free to watch???
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metanoia Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > oneclickwonder Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > I actually tend to believe that there is a > > spiritual level to reality and have tended to > > before my time at CV. I found the experience of > > seeing purple lights and vibration in the eye > to
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mesche Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There's a lot of information to look for out > there. I have very bad experiences with providing > scientific explanations to students of the school > and won't do that again. Seeing is believing, > right? I suggest you search for scientific > articles about whatever type of experience you
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I actually tend to believe that there is a spiritual level to reality and have tended to before my time at CV. I found the experience of seeing purple lights and vibration in the eye to be intense as I did with a number of other techniques from the school. I'm not sure what scientific explanations people have for the experiences I have had but I would like to hear more about that.
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To reiterate, I went to the school for a 101 about several years ago, I had an alright experience there, found the meditations to be interesting after a friend who was involved in the school went and told me about it. she said the CV teachings changed her life and asked me to give it a shot and even paid for my tuition. I went, felt pushed by an instructor to share past my boundaries in IST w
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Grok... it sounds like there were some very significant shifts in people's lives here. I mean I see nothing wrong with participating in orgies or trying BDSM and having sex with a same sex partner as long as everything is consensual... but killing an animal just to know what it feels like?!?!?! That't terrible! Also, I find the notion of becoming a prostitute to be dangerous an
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ok, SO awesome that this thread has lit up again. I want to share a bit more about my experience and speak to what has been shared here as well. I found that, as said in my previous post, I dealt with abuse or things that made me feel uncomfortable in the school, including instructors at the IST retreat pushing me past my consent boundaries and making me feel uncomfortable after I told th
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metanoia Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > mesche Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > About the apocalyptic flavor. Many of the > students > > I met trained for the future and the big > > technological changes that are happening right > now > > in our world as discussed in the books
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mesche Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Years ago I was in this school of meditation and > there were good and bad times. > > The good: I learned to meditate and work on some > of my personal problems. > > The bad: I walked away with new and painful > personal problems. > > I experienced: > > Kindness > Warmt
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Very good post. I feel it is extremely informative. I like how you summarize the issues of the school as well as the positives. I have felt them both as well and I know for a fact that you are telling it like it is. I would like to hear more so I hope you post again.
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anyone interested in more of my take about the school can feel free to PM me see my above post for details.
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I went there for a nine day intensive a while back. nothing good to say but nothing bad either. had some good meditation instructions but definitely felt pushed to share very personal stuff by teachers and also felt they disregarded my personal boundaries in one or two cases. I'm definitely wary about the school and of going back there. for what it's worth, the meditation pract
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