Hi y'all. Just wanting to check in and say hi. There are former members out there that, even in our old age, are starting to remove the layers of torment that were courtesy of TLWF, the Walk. This may go on for many years to come. Oy.
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Confirming Changedagain's info: News Flash (or maybe just new news to me). My cousin in Iowa shared with me that the English River offshoot of Shiloh, had an email from Steve Seboldt (which was read aloud in their Zoom service) where he said TLW is moving to Georgia. He also said the TLW properties in California are all up for sale. He also congratulated them on continuing to have serv
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I just tried to look up info of the Palmer Lake facility burning but all I found was a Palmer Lake, Washington fire. Fact check needed. Anyone know?
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I have no current knowledge of Richard Farr but it is my understanding that he was convicted of violence (I believe in Colorado) against his wife who divorced him and fled with her children. Because walk members gave her shelter, Mr. Farr has never stopped following (stalking?) former members of the walk and his ex-wife and family (that is my understanding and opinion). Please do not consider
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The Jerusalem article is a stunner. Not in the sense that term is usually used. I am stunned that Gary Hargrave is now falsely making a foundational aspect of his ministry that he is a giver. WHAT?! Now there is news he gave Palmer Lake to the local community. And it is burning? Is that part of a purposeful demolition? just like Shiloh. Except we know he and other investors will still
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Does anyone remember when Marilyn first lay claim to being Queen Esther or even being "like" a queen Esther? I don't remember it starting while JRS was still alive. Or when did the churches started celebrating Purim so wildly? In my memory, it started after JRS died because Gary Hargrave & Marilyn Hargrave had their "first" of many wedding on March 17, 1984 (th
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The Plaintiffs in a lawsuit have the burden of proof and I would expect them to be looking to various ones from this group and the others for corroboration of their claims which must be done before they can legally name "Does" and "Perpetrators" in the public record. I am neither a Doe or a Perpetrator in any lawsuits and I don't think any of the Defendants will want w
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Just my opinion but also my hope - the lawsuits should be amended to name Gary as a perpetrator becaue his knowing, willful and reckless disregard for the harm to congregants at the hands of Rick Holbrook and others, is much, much more than mere negligence. It was constant and ongoing and is evidenced by the huge amount of support that was given to Rick Holbrook, including Rick's free acces
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Changed: Yes, Perverse. Twisted. Greedy. Narcissistic. Doomed to repeat actions of the past over and over again. No anointing. All applicable to the name Gary Hargrave.
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I apologize if anyone felt I have dictated anything to anyone on this forum. The forum has rules that we all have to follow. I was giving permission to repost things I posted in the past - not directing anyone to do anything and I apologize if it came through that way. I had private email discussions with people who post on this forum about potential lawsuits I had been advised by my o
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I was just thinking tonight of the various "trends" that Gary Hargrave and Marilyn jumped into and then stuffed down the throats of all the people at every church. If they hadn't kept us so busy we had no time to think with all their hullabaloo that had NOTHING to do with a Living Word, what would they have done? Clever of them to do as other cult leaders do by keeping their sl
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KBOY Would you make a copy of the Amended Bylaws from 1992 available like you just did the complaint? There was a copy of those from Grace Chapel of Honolulu that was provided on one of the Facebook groups, I believe. The step that Gary Hargrave and Marilyn took in amending ALL of the churches' bylaws (and articles) was one (IMO) of the most diabolical actions they took (the absolute wo
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During the months I have not been present on this forum, the flow of information to me still trickles in from time to time. Two financial improprieties (too soft a word) that started under JRS but were drastically increased under Gary Hargrave and Marilyn Hargrave concerned their use of cash to complete projects. I understand from those who saw it first hand that it was common practice for Ga
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Reposting from one year ago. Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: Onion () Date: August 04, 2019 01:34PM JRS’ first lawyer in his divorce was a nightmare. He only cared about publicity and his own income and never really listened to what JRS had to say or could prove about his income. Looking back, maybe he had it right, that all of the church assets we
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: Onion () Date: August 21, 2019 05:35PM Aardvark - I sent you a private message earlier. I have identified myself on this forum (Mary Wyatt) and I've identified myself as Onion on various Facebook groups that I no longer participate in because of the level of anger that I don't need in my life. I had a lo
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From my post of October 15, 2019. Just days before Shalom blew up TLWF with her courageous public post on Facebook. Gary Hargrave has an unlimited arrogance and is trying to re-write history by launching his new sites - the same name changed just a little as it was when he took the corporation that used to be Church of His Holy Presence and then took over as the sole person (with Marilyn) r
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In light of the new Gary Hargrave presence on facebook, twitter, and his Promised (threatened) podcast and website - it would be great when you are reposting old posts if you would start reposting some of my old posts. I was a first hand witness to a lot and Gary's name in bad light needs to be resurrected and blasted in link to his website and facebook. What an arrogant, abusive prick
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NancyB - Thank you for sharing that excerpt from Woodrow Nichols comparing the authoritarian approach of the walk to Hitler. That is confirmation of what I've been seeing in the writings I review about the Holocaust by Bullets. It is also significant to note that people hearing about what the Nazis were doing often did not believe it as sounding impossible for anyone to act in that way.
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Reep - My comment about John didn't mean I thought he would willingly get help in any of the areas I mentioned. It was more wishful thinking. Therapy of any kind was generally frowned on by TLWF. Gary once did a whole message from the pulpit about how bad anti-depressants were. In that area, TLWF and Scientology were twins at job 1 being cult protection along with membership harming.
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Changedagain - I heard John say the Sodom "nice day" thing from the Sunday morning pulpit in the Valley. There was a lovely rose garden next to the driveway at his house on Kling. He said he stood there that morning looking at beautiful roses the size of cabbages and he thought about what a nice day it was. Then he thought, well yeah, it was a nice day in Sodom & Gomorrah befor
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It is interesting that the Kalona News article spells out the real reason the buildings will be demolished. "...to make way for development." The meeting on January 20th should tell us who the developer is. Shall we start a betting pool?
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Below is an excerpt from the Kalona News. It raises a lot of questions. It was published yesterday and is online at: ? The annexation requests include about 200 acres of property owned by Shiloh church, roughly 465 acres owned by Marilyn Farms and 35 acres owned by Larry and Evelyn Hershberger. The Shiloh property is bordered to the north by 133rd Street and to the east by Nutme
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Little Red Flag - I like to hear from you ANY time. Nice to see you back here. I don't have details about the policies in play in the lawsuits. It is my understanding that the policies on the church entities have a duty to defend. I'm not involved in the lawsuits other than what I can read in the public record. I watch the L.A. cases because they're at "my courthouse.&q
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Documents in the public record in the Los Angeles lawsuits show that all defendants in the 3 lawsuits have been served. The 4th lawsuit still has two defendants to serve. The defendants' answers/response is due to be filed on January 17, 2020. The defense appears to have coverage from insurance on all the claims so there may not be a huge personal financial impact on those sued. I woul
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Lilith - WELL said: "... they are harboring criminals and collaborators and they are cowards. And as far as the remaining churches reconstituting I hope that they realize that they are building on a foundation of disease and perversion..." I believe they squirreled away a lot of money to fund the ongoing churches although the size of the various congregations is probably not enoug
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I heard some interesting information today that leads me to believe that the churches that have no shutdown, have also NOT changed their Bylaws. When asked, someone at one of the churches said there was no need to change the Bylaws. Which means... Gary Hargrave still has sole control as the Apostolic Fathering Ministry. I could be wrong. I will see what I can research. People have a right
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A good friend of mine from Sylmar High School just wrote me on facebook and shared with me his brush with TLWF and JRS: So Mary... A few years after high school in the early 70's I was an active Christian in Baptist church in the Valley when I met a girl at camp who invited me to come to her church. She was very insistent and it sounded interesting. Brother Stevens was teaching. The teach
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Please - No one take what I posted earlier as an attack on victims who have not spoken out. I am critical of the people who refuse to be aware of what has been exposed and those who are VERY aware but continue to follow Gary and provide support for him and his "ascension" to his worldwide ministry bullsh-t.
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And on I go...further on in the chapter I just quoted from Father DesBois, he says (with my editing in all caps): I am convinced that when genocide (SEXUAL ABUSE) is taking place, many people can sleep easily at night – if they are sure they will not be killed (RAPED, USED, ASSAULTED OR OSTRACIZED). The perpetrators … know each other and gain strength from one another. Accepting awaren
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I just posted this on FaceBook but wanted to post it here as well: I have posted over the previous year information about the exposure of the church group I was involved in for 40+ years. New people continue to come forward with new stories and details of horrors committed by the leadership of The Living Word Fellowship of churches. And yet I know there are still huge areas of darkness where
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