funny how I don't feel this oppression or burden, as I confess my sins in an ongoing manner daily If that is the case, then you are not practicing “rebound” consistent with Thieme’s teaching. Allow me to repeat my previous statements describing the ramifications of “rebound” (which, of course, you have not responded to): From my 03/05 post: According to your doctrine, at any moment d
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I'm not avoiding your questions, by the way, I'm trying to start at building block one Let’s review some of the questions that you have failed to answer: • Thieme teaches dogmatically that all of us who don’t “rebound” will die a miserable death as “loser believers” (and there is nothing “metaphorical” about this fate). Is this true, ephesians? Yes or No? • Will the loser’s for
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At any rate, even in the English, the confession of sin issue is clear. I acknowledged my sin to Thee, and my iniquity I did not hide; I said "I will confess my transgressions to the Lord"; and Thou didst forgive the guilt of my sin - Psalm 32:5 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness - 1 John 1:9 Once ag
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Like I said. I have not seen Thieme’s teaching on this matter. Here’s Thieme’s teaching in a nutshell (http://www.rbthieme.org/selected.htm): ____________________ Beware of false teachers who say, “You don’t need to name your sins to God; they were already forgiven at the cross.” With this distortion, rebound becomes irrelevant! This false doctrine attacks the very foundation of your s
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All the following scriptures promise us the forgiveness of sins through faith in Christ, with no exceptions or stipulations, and never even a hint of “other kinds of forgiveness” that will not be accomplished until the resurrection. The forgiveness of our sins cannot be a partially accomplished, ongoing process (as it is in Roman Catholicism). Acts 13:38-39 Be it known unto you therefore, men
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Are you OK? Mmoderator stated that Brainout has been banned. You OK? I’m fine, GeneZ, thanks for asking. How are you? Forgive me for pointing out the extremely obvious, but when I post my response to brainout on this forum, then everyone else can see my refutation of his last post. And I’m glad I did, because of the responses I’ve gotten from a couple of the members here. And to point ou
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PROOF TEXTS are vital, to them and to me. Bible IS proof text, Heb4:12, 1Jn4:1-6. Oh, I'm citing again, as I'm required to do in order to demonstrate the location of a doctrine. Sorry. brainout, In your response, you ignored the second half of my sentence: “Much like Galiban, you like to make statements followed by a string of ‘prooftexts,’ but you do nothing to show that those
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Hi, brainout, and welcome to the forum. From your username, I’m assuming you’re the author of the “rebound” article posted at , or you’re at least associated with the website in some way. (Please correct me if I’m wrong.) Your entire article is full of the same kind of empty assumptions and speculations, and meaningless technical terms,
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At this point your belief would come in that now we have the “Completed work of the Cross” This is not an inaccurate doctrine. We were completely forgiven for our sins. True! We will never be judged for those sins. True! The confession of sins does not in anyway affect our salvation. True! We will only be judged for our works/deeds at the judgement. Not sins. Only one sin, tha
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Doctrine of rebound and maintaining fellowship This is a more in depth follow up to address some of the inaccurate understandings you have. Lets look at Old Testament confession of sin. The Levitical priesthood in the Old Testament was a habitual and continual confession of sin. Leviticus 5:6-10 Now when you sinned you needed to go see a Priest and present the sin offering for your sin an
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Context of 1John Chapter 1 – This is entirely to the church. The context is fellowship of the believer with God. This is not speaking to those who lack salvation. You also have a habit of making big dogmatic statements, which are really nothing more than assumptions. You assume that, because the epistles were written to churches, the audience is only believers. But there were many u
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God will conceal doctrines and truth from those he considers swine (Matthew 7:6). He does not give truth, power and understanding to those who would trample these teachings. Now Galiban, my friend, is this really wise? You just tipped your hand in front of this entire forum. You’ve revealed the elitist, holier-than-thou, cultish mentality behind the whole “doctrinal” movement in a couple sente
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You really need to clarify what you mean here, because either we need to confess sins in an ongoing manner, as Christians, or we don’t, period. This is a loaded statement, ephesians. When you say, “confess sins in an ongoing manner,” what you’re really saying is this: We must name and cite a list of every single sin that we’re aware of to God in prayer, and do it moment-to-moment, for all
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Hi, ephesians, I’ll begin with the following statement: Which brings me to the argument of the importance of 1 John 1:9 to the basic spiritual life. Indeed, Thieme’s exegesis goes a long way toward development of doctrines that are difficult to derive from simple English readings... So you admit that Thieme’s doctrines are dependent on his Greek Game. And a common Christian reading his
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Galiban the THEOLOGIAN is quitting so easily? You get one rebuttal to your comments and run away? Since you’re the one who’s “in fellowship,” filled with the Spirit, and a “winner,” and I’m an evil “loser” headed straight for the sin unto death, shouldn’t you make a little more effort to refute my terrible deceptions? You say that you will pray that God guides us all to the truth, but you aren’t
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Greetings, Galiban, and welcome to the discussion. First of all, let me address the following statement: The bible had one author. That is God the Holy Spirit. Every passage is divinely inspired. The men who penned it were the instruments used by God. You CAN NOT say that one verse has no bearing on another. We know that the entire Bible is divinely inspired, Galiban (the theologian), but t
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ephesians, If you need to take a little time to put together your material, that’s fine. In the meantime, however, my challenge to you in my post from 02/13 still stands. I asked you twelve very simple questions, which can be easily answered with a simple Yes or No. I am not asking you to provide scriptural support immediately for every point. I am simply trying to get you to reveal exactly w
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ephesians, You mentioned the “present tense” of the verb in 1 John 1:9. This is a prime example of the deficiency of Thieme’s so-called “corrected” translations, and how they would never stand up to criticism if posted online, where anyone fluent in Greek could read them. (I always wondered why, if Thieme’s “corrected” translations are so much better than all the “terrible” translations he is
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Hello again, ephesians, Been a bit tied up this past week and a half—started a new job with MetLife, plus getting ready and eagerly anticipating my upcoming wedding on the 25th. However, I do wish to respond to your posts as promptly as I can, because we are discussing serious Biblical issues as fellow Christians, and I believe there are some important principles that you have not adequately
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ephesians, I will respond to your comments on the koine Greek and other issues in a future post. First, there are some things that need to be said about the “rebound” issue. In order to take a good look at how destructive, legalistic, and unscriptural this doctrine really is, let us start with the ramifications that Thieme himself attaches to this doctrine: Beware of false teachers wh
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ephesians, Thieme did not teach the winner-loser doctrine anthropopathically or metaphorically; he taught all the points of this doctrine, which I enumerated in my previous post, as dogmatic, literal “Bible doctrine.” Yes, Thieme does teach that “every believer in Heaven will be eternally happy, have a resurrection body, live forever, and know ‘no sorro
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ephesians, Thank-you again for sharing your convictions. As you said, it can be difficult to hash out theological issues on a chat forum like this. If you would like to correspond by other means, I would be happy to discuss these matters further with you from the Scriptures. There are several of your statements that I wish to address… First, I do agree that Christians cannot learn Chu
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Dear ephesians, Thank-you for your response. I would like to respond to your statement: “...some might get the wrong impression on your synopsis of his ‘winners and losers’ doctrine. While I see what you are implying, the uninitiated might think that Thieme actually does teach a dogmatic ‘Berachah is right, we are the winners, everyone else are losers’ rhetoric. That would indeed be cult
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Dear Truthtesty, The doctrine of so-called “rebound,” the way it is taught by Thieme and his followers, is actually a legalistic deception left over from the Roman Catholic tradition of the confessional booth. As you may know already, the doctrine consists of the following points: 1) Every time a Christian sins, he “loses fellowship” with God. 2) In order to “recover fellowship,” we m
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Greetings... I'm brand new to this forum--in fact I've never posted on an interent forum before. But after coming across this webpage, and seeing what some of you have shared about your experience with Thieme-ism, I felt compelled to share some things... I was a diligent student of Thieme's teachings for eleven years. I did not attend Berachah, but I did attend a church tha
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