There is nothing more liberating than renouncing Chris Butler and releasing his hold on you. Even after many years, when I was finally able to come to terms with it, it was the most freeing feeling.
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Quotealapuhsihs Did anyone know Sudhama Vipra Swami or Katyayani? I have not been in touch with any of the original followers but would like to find out about all of them. I have been skipping around the forum and reading as much as I can. I can’t believe half of it. Man when I was around Siddha lived in a little shack with no indoor plumbing. He was scrapping just to live. Now he’s putting
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Quoteflashlight_on_roaches How could anyone who claims to be a vaishnava miss this stuff???... You learn not to question the sham guru from day 1. Questioning means you have no faith and no one wants to feel left out as the "faithless one," or the one still "living in illusion" and unsurrendered to the guru. A large part of the power that Chris has over others is through
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Reading the article, especially page 2 reminds me quite a bit of the Chris Butler Cult. "The church did many good deeds, but followers were never allowed to criticize Jones or talk to others outside the group. They signed contracts vowing their allegiance. "It was a cult, total mind control," said Wilson, who, as a teen, traveled the country recruiting members. "The chu
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You can run Flash's page through translate.google.com to get a translation from Polish to English to read the page.
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It seems people dont have a problem with a cult follower being elected to office, saying that she is free to follow her religion. I wonder if this would be true if she was a follower of David Koresh?
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Reading some comment posts on Huffington Post, I recognized a user that hasnt posted here in quite a while. I would love to make contact with that person, as I too was possibly in the cult around the same time this person was and would love to trade notes. Please, feel free to send me a message if you see this (and I know you read the forums occasionally but havent commented in a long time
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Quoteflashlight_on_roaches One of two things will happen and probably soon: Tulsi will manufacture an airtight alibi proving she has never been a cult member. Or, she’ll be forced to admit that she was once a Butler devotee, but has since denounced him and considers his teachings and rants to be dangerous (the karmic damage to Chris Butler would be a huge blow). Her and the Butlers will spin th
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Heres another interesting tidbit from Wikipedia: Looking at some history revisions, it seems that someone had made reference to Mike Gabbard's attendance to kirtans and other activities. This was removed after a while when someone noticed it: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tulsi_Gabbard&diff=522763666&oldid=522719641 So was a reference to Tulsi being a Chris Butle
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An interesting quote: Tulsi Gabbard, a Demo­crat and an Iraq War veteran who won a seat in the House from Hawaii, is the daughter of a Hindu mother and a Roman Catholic father. She calls herself Hindu, a first for a member of Congress. But it is not quite that simple. "I identify as a Hindu," Gabbard wrote in an email Thursday. "However, I am much more into spirituality than
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Vera, Actually the WVA lists: Acarya of the Science of Identity Foundation and Caitanya Mission Srila Jagad Guru Siddhasvarupananda Paramahamsa and Sripad Tusta Krishna das
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The good thing about Wikipedia is that if you make edits to it, those edits are forever saved. They can remove the edits, but on the TALK pages, and the revision history pages, those changes are there. Also, ANYONE can edit a page. So Tulsi and her followers *DO NOT* own the Tulsi page. They can be updated WITH LINKS to other sites such as this one. I am sure her followers, um, I mean campaig
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Mike Gabbard is not a family member but is so connected with Butler that he was entrusted to run the Honolulu temple at the current Science of Identity office and was put in charge of the dieties (along with his wife Carol aka Deva hutti dasi) there. Being put in charge of dieties is a really big deal in the cult. If I recall correctly, those were the same dieties from Kauai.
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QuotedharmabumQuoteVitaminCExcept few Americans read India.com. So if you spill your beans in the forest and no one is there to see it, are the beans really spilled? I'm not sure what century are you in? In Google Age, whether you're in Timbuktu or in New York, spilling beans online is indelible. Google is not like your TV. It does not just spit out information at you as you stare a
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QuotedharmabumUS: Tulsi Gabbard to address Democrats Washington: Tulsi Gabbard, who appears all set to become the first Hindu-American to be elected to the US House of Representatives, has been invited to address the Democratic national convention in North Carolina next week. "I had the opportunity to study both Lord Krishna’s Bhagavad Gita and also the New Testament. And like Mahatma
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This is a good point made by Flashlight. These are not direct quotes. It would be immensely beneficial to everyone to have a brave soul confront her directly at one of the election debates and ask her "Yes or No: Are you a disciple or follower of Chris Butler, leader of the Science of Identity?" and again, not back down till we get a straight YES or NO answer from her.
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QuoteVera CityThe cat is out of the bag. Though not reported by the mainstream media, or thought of to be significant by them, Tulsi has publicly and on the record revealed that she is a follower of Chris Butler. Now voters can make an informed choice. They key word here is "informed." The voters need to know about her ties to Chris Butler, and who he is and what he does for them
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I also checked with a few friends who are residents of Kailua and a couple have named the doctor as well. Unfortunately, without anything else to go by, there isnt much we can do with this. Theres no access to the police report, theres no other "proof" than the doctors account of the story and a few witnesses of police cars outside. Theres nothing concrete that we can go to the m
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Quotezombiefied Corboy....I really havnt thought to look so deeply into the psychology of trance.This is very interesting to me.I have had this experience exactly in chris butlers group. When we would chant for hours i felt very childlike and also saw others that way,feeling uninhibated.When i mentioned it to a disciple I was told that its due to purification by chanting...Of coarse the bliss an
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From what I remember (and this could very well be wrong) Mike Gabbard joined during the Kauai years.
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So it looks like that Tulsi's group was able to get my Facebook account banned after I posted a few comments on the news websites about Chris Butler and his affiliation with Tulsi. We need to keep getting the public to ask WHO IS CHRIS BUTLER? A simple google search for him will turn up all kinds of links to various sites that the Butlerites cant take down. They are trying everything and
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Perhaps its time to put a big in Kawika's ear about Tulsi and her connection to Science of Identity and Chris Butler? If that can be exposed it would be a crushing blow to their political ambitions and anyone even remotely connected to them will basically be blacklisted from politics for a while in Hawaii and possibly beyond.
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Excellent advice
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Quoteflashlight_on_roachesQuotedharmabum Bart’s comment is no longer at Civil Beat, unless I am blind. It is not unusual for Civil Beat to delete posts critical of Tulsi and many of those commenting there are obvious Butler devotees. All my Civil Beat comments were deleted as were those of Henry. It makes you wonder about the reliability of this Civil Beat poll. If it has been deleted, you have s
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The best question to ask is "Is Chris Butler your guru and spiritual master?" and keep hammering on her about it till she gives a straight answer. She cannot publicly denounce Butler as her guru as it would be considered extremely spiritually offensive to claim that he is not.
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QuotedabcultIn the last few days I have received 7 negative anonymous messages ...mostly just a few words ...like FUCK YOU ...OR HOMOLOVER But this one is special ..if it is really from a disciple of JAGAD GURU that disciple is no SHAKESPEARE Its is interesting that I have not received one good intelligent critic from a disciple of Chris Butler The guru of the UNIVERS does not have on
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QuoteatheistThere is a new television commercial being run on Tulsi Gabbard's behalf by something called Women Vote! Women Vote! is a part of or affiliated with Emily's List, a political action group that supports progressive, pro choice women candidates. At the end of the TV commercial a non-working web address is posted: womenvoteproject.org The correct address is: womenvoteproject.
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QuoteVoxVeritasVita DasDabcult, excellent You Tube video. Your ability to post comments on your latest video seems to be unavailable? We cannot post a link to this forum as well due to that disablement. Were you aware of this? In your title I think you should put the name Chris Butler somewhere in there. You speak of the enrapture of Tusta Krishna Das with "Sai" aka Chris Butler ak
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Awesome. I personally dont care who wins, as long as its not that cult brainwashed puppet.
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Came across this again today. Such a great read and something that those who are in the ANYbody but Tulasi group.. Yeah even the Daily Kos couldnt believe her,
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