Stopping by for just a quick "hello". I am on my way to catch a plane to see my family for the Christmas holidays. Nitedork: Some times, some things need to be done in a face to face situation. Hopefully, some resolved and healing came out of your meeting. Have a great holiday. Thanks for stopping by. TS
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that's true. and yet, when a pastor speaks lies directly at you, it's as if it happened this morning. Could a person who lies consistently possibly have a psychological disorder? Consider this from iVillage - Health and Well Being: The condition that's most associated with pathological lying is sociopathy or antisocial personality disorder, which is characterize
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"People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." -Maya Angelou A well learned tactic by spiritual abusers is the ability to hurt people emotionally. One of things that sticks out like a sore thumb is that when you talk to former members of the Lighthouse you see the depth of pain that was inflicted upon their so
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I couldn't agree with you more Frank. And on top of all that, they think that what they are doing (the name calling, the labeling, the questioning of your faith and salvation for daring questioning them) is all done in the name of God's love. How does anyone justify hatred - even to the point of calling another Christian "brother" a pieces of crap that needs to be flus
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One of the comebacks I have heard said when a person confronts a Mitchellite at the Lighthouse is "Why don't you go out and get someone saved?" This is done in attempt to to make the person who confronts the spiritual abuse, false teachings, manipulation and outright deception to look like they are unspiritual, divisive, and even a non-christian. However we know that Paul t
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Ahhhh the "GET OVER IT!" mantra. Next, it will be "You are just bitter!" And then it will be "Can't you just move on?" As I have learned these are the typical CFMisms that you have learned from Scribner and Mitchell to parrot back to those who have concerns about the church and it's direction. You don't want to deal with the issues! C
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Frank, what are your thoughts about this "3 days to repent" correspondence that Rob Scribner and Harrison Sommer wrote to those who wanted nothing to do with Wayman Mitchell in their Foursquare church anymore? Here is that letter again: ***** The Lighthouse Church Our church has just been put through a very difficult and divisive time. The difficulty and division has been
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Characteristics of a "image oriented leader": 1. They operate from a false basis of authority; 2. They lack integrity; 3. They wear their spirituality on the outside; 4. Spirituality is a put-on performance, an image they project; 5. They require the recognition of people, calling it respect; 6. They point to themselves as the primary source of knowledge, direction, au
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Very interesting information Nitedork. You are right about the Arizona real estate market it has really taken sharp turn downward. And it doesn't look like it will rebound or stop going down in 2007. Scary!
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By now all of us have heard of the disgusting racist slurs by Michael "Kramer" Richards toward a couple of African American patrons at a Los Angeles comedy club. This news story triggered something that I read on a pro-Mitchell website a few weeks ago before my vacation. The website had a transcribed sermon by Wayman Mitchell entitled "Blueprint From Heaven". The sermon
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Ignoring or downplaying spiritual abuse, cultic tactics, emotional manipulation and deception is certainly not part of "preaching the gospel."
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One of the things that sticks out like a sore thumb is when you question or confront wrong behavior is the justifying response. Here are a few responses I have heard in the past: "Nobody is perfect, you are just picky" "We preach an uncompromising message, that is why people don't like us" "Look at all the churches we have planted and our missionaries&quo
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Hi guys...back in town for a few hours. It will take a while to digest all that has happen while I was gone, but that will have to wait until I get to my next destination.
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Hamas and Hebollah believe that they are doing God's justice by hurting and killing people in the name of God. The Lighthouse pastors believe that they have the power to bring God's justice down on to people. Case in point, read Free Agent's last point what happen to Pastor Schmidt. Quoteconfuzed1"Mitchell's fellowship is no different than Hamas or Hezbollah. You ar
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It is not that I don't believe in divine healing, it is that so much of what is done in these "crusades" is subjective and questionable. Why not have doctors there to verify the illnesses and the healings at these crusades. It would squelch the claims of emotionalism and manipulation, don't you think? Quoteconfuzed1I agree with you about going to the hospitals and healing
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There have been other posters to this site such as Free Agent, Nightdork and others who have validated the same experiences at the Lighthouse. It is not hearsay. As for speaking with Scribner, I was about to do that, but I got advice from other Foursquare pastors and they told me just forget it. He is stuck on Wayman Mitchell. Quoteconfuzed1Not at all Truth Seeker...If they committed sexual
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I disagree, your analogy is still faulty by using the supposed King Saul principle even when it comes to authority and submission. Too many pastors think they can control and manage people's lives because they have this supposed authority. My question to you, what are submitting to? Why do you need to submit to a pastor? What do you need from him that you can't get from God, Jesus,
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If you take the idea of the pastor being like King Saul or King David, and that their authority or actions cannot be question, then one condones attempted murder, murder and adultery with any consequence or removal from their position. Does that now mean that Ted Haggard, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart and all the other immoral pastors should have never been removed from their position of ministry,
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Goto page 2 of this thread and read the 10th post down. There is a 3 day demand to repent letter written by Scribner talking about the recent division in the church. Quoteconfuzed1Wow...I didn't know all this happened before. I've just started visiting the lighthouse after i got a flyer at the 3rd st promenade. I've actually enjoyed the sermons they preach. But I would like
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Quoteconfuzed1QuoteA Truth SeekerI ran into very nice Lighthouse person the other day, she doesn't believe in the shunning doctrine that they preach there - ha ha ha ha! Anyways she said that the Wayman Mitchell video they put on the web site recently has made a few people in the church upset. Quite a few people there don't like the guy. Mitchell really sets off the women, he is chauve
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Quoteconfuzed1QuoteA Truth SeekerQuoteUywhan We all make mistakes Truth Seeker, even in our personal lives. Unfortunately, all of us tend to forget Pastors and Leaders are only human too even if they do hold an upright position. I actually read in the bible before I entered this site that God told us to obey those he puts in leadership, even when we think they are wrong, because GOD will have h
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I just read Haggard's repentance letter. He says he is submitting to Jack Hayford, Scribner's overseer. Hayford needs to first take care of the problem in his own backyard and don't worry about what is going on in Colorado. Hayford knows what Scribner is up to but refuses to take action. He needs to clean up his own house before he starts telling others how to clean their house. N
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Gordon McDonald recently wrote this on Christianity Today website in response to Ted Haggard's recent fall from grace. However, after reading these couple of paragraphs, I clearly see another who has these exact same evil traits. I will give you a guess who I am talking about, his initials are RS. What to watch for When I see a leader who becomes stubborn and rigid, who is increasin
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Free Agent, you have picked up on a real truth here. These "revivals" are just times to reindoctrinate people into the CFM way. I remember some of my conversations with a few exLighthouse friends and they would say that Scribner would have these revivals virtually every month. He wanted wear people down emotionally and mentally to make them only think about the church and the church
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Thank you Free Agent for the update about John getting married. I hope that he and his new wife enjoy this new adventure. Thank God for spiritual freedom from religious frauds who seek to dominate people's lives with a false gospel of works and slavery to churchianity. QuoteFree AgentAt the same time that The Lighthouse has thier annual "Let's Pat each other on the back"
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Scribner needs to take a lesson from Haggard. All that crap that has been covered up is going to be revealed. God's word promises it.
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FYI, Scribner is having a conference of some sort this weekend. Harold Warner, a Mitchell devotee, is preaching there. To all those who say Scribner is changing and becoming more Foursquare, you are lying to yourself. Scribner wants the cult of Mitchell to have a base of operations in Santa Monica. That is why he has these Mitchell worshipers come and indoctrinate you with their twisted theolog
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I ran into very nice Lighthouse person the other day, she doesn't believe in the shunning doctrine that they preach there - ha ha ha ha! Anyways she said that the Wayman Mitchell video they put on the web site recently has made a few people in the church upset. Quite a few people there don't like the guy. Mitchell really sets off the women, he is chauvenistic and very derrogatory when
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QuoteFrank SumatraPersonally, I think Foursquare needs to do their business or get off the pot as the saying goes, if you catch my drift! So does Scribner! To Foursquare leaders I say, If The Lighthouse in Santa Monica is indeed a Foursquare Church then it needs to be represented as such and needs to represent the denomination. The church pastored by Rob Scribner who is in Christian Fel
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QuoteTruth Seeker: Questions and comments: Have you put together petitions, or had direct correspondence with the Four Square denomination? What was the result? I was thinking to myself “what is the point?” The obvious answer would be to keep Scribner from using the good name of the denomination to suck people into his world of manipulation… However if they (Four Square) do not have the he
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