Could this be a good time to consider putting these testimonials in a book or publication? I think the quality and depth of both apostate's and cultmalleus' testimonies are worth collecting so that they can be shared and, dare I say it, distributed by a publisher. Perhaps this is a way to 'fight fire with fire' in a benign way. Know what I mean? I can certainly offer my skills
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FF, I'm so happy for you. What a great police officer you'll become with your acute perceptions and strength of will. I totally agree with the sentiments of your above post. I, too, consider myself an 'oddball' of sorts, but my way of reaching the 'less fortunate' masses is to use my unique qualities to their best effect. You see, I am an artist: writer, musician,
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Apostate and Cultmalleus, your recent postings express exactly why we can't ignore the criminal, Dave McKay. I'm still shaking. Thank you for sharing your experiences. And all strength to you and your families.
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John, I appreciate your sentiment. Unfortunately, as the rules state on this forum, we really can't get into the nuts and bolts of Aussie politics. I know I started it and quite obviously revealed my particular political leaning. I apologise, because, generally speaking, politics sucks! But my understanding of saying, 'sorry' should be done without condition or emotional or financi
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G'day FF, now's a really good time to visit Oz. We have a new government that isn't afraid to follow public opinion; a government that isn't frightened to remind the US that their decisions aren't always the most sound and capable. It seems this country is in a state of relative calm, which is the Aussie way. I think the US is in for some interesting times, too. My apo
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thanks for that, private eyes. I thought my prose was starting to get too purple...but obviously you were on the same wavelength. BTW, my folder is virtually empty...
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Unfortunately, I just returned from Brisbane and wouldn't be able to attend a Queensland based seminar. Not right now. With regard to a 'tick of approval', that's probably a fair summation, but my suspicious mind doesn't approve of anything until I've had an opportunity to look into things. Although the jury is still out (for me), I do suspect that this group, Wel
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Quoteapostate To use an analogy, light house keepers don't extinguish the light because they can see no ship on the horizon. I think this is a really good approach. Keeping that light shining may seem like a thankless job, but it is the best approach. Occasionally, we can pick up our binoculars and scan the horizon; we can check our radio to see that it's working; we can consult our
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Crikey, John. I agree, Brisbane is a nice part of the world. I wonder whether they'll make a trip to sunny Victoria. I wonder how much they charge. It would be good for someone at this forum to visit and then give a report. On the surface, they do look fair dinkum.
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Thanks for the info., Rick. From their site: How do I know Wellspring isn't a cult? You don't ...unless you do some homework. You can begin to explore the cult phenomenon on our links page or begin on your own at your local library or bookstore. You will find that those in the know highlight common elements of cult dynamics. We believe you'll find us saying the same things
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Thanks for the quotes, private eyes, blackhat and zeuszor. It amazes me that there is all this evidence on the table (the insane writings of DM) and those most closely influenced/affected by it chose to either accept it or ignore it. Can't the JCs see that their leader is a dangerous and deluded individual? Obviously, from their point of view, I'm (we're) the one/s deluded. Worse t
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BTW, I think cult-thinking leaders such as McKay are threatened by the sheer beauty of 'other' information, especially when articulated so well, so succinctly. You know, I've only now started to visit the JC's forum and it's clear how 'damaged' McKay and his group are. My suspicion is that McKay is drawing near to the end of his arguments with 'outsiders�
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I agree, apostate, entirely. What is the benefit of being 'cut-off'? (yes, I can imagine in the case of the JCs and other such cults that this 'cutting off' might be useful...). Now, as an adult thinker, I'm not going to interpret the suggestion of No. 14 as 'following just another closed mindset', as Dave has suggested with what he has chosen to read/interp
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It is awful, wanderingbutnotlost. But I don't fully understand the 'why' you stepped away from Paganism. It further confuses me when you say in parenthesis, 'the semi-organised type anyway'. Are you suggesting that you're part of a more organised group? I don't think it is fair to say that Pagans and Wiccans engage in 'witch wars' to any great de
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Apostate, I was saddened to see the utter contempt shown by Dave and Ezra to your posting of the Dr. Z list. The Lucifer Effect thread First off, the condescending tone of Ezra, as in, 'My, my, my... you certainly are everywhere these last few days, Craig. To be quite honest, it can be a little creepy sometimes when I see "Apostate" signed upo under every category. Got a litt
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Freedom fighter, it would be difficult (and perhaps a waste of time) to detail the 'evils' of this cult known as Landmark. Better if you spend some time reading the many articles, testimonials and postings at this site. In a nutshell, Landmark is an organisation that sells lies for dollars, i.e. enlightenment and self-empowerment at a 99% success rate (I was told by one of their volunte
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With regard to my last post, i.e. Dave asking to be the daddy, it is quite revealing that later on that particular thread he admits "my facetious comment about playing the part of the daddy". Okay, I'm not an expert in reading between the lines, but this comment seems rather contemptuous of parental titles. I mean, call me daddy but i was just being facetious! Does anyone else get
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I don't visit the 'welikejesus' forum very often, so the following cut-and-paste is probably not new or surprising. Dave's post (on Introducing...Brian Birmingham! thread): We here at the Jesus Christians forum are indeed blessed to have had a part in this wonderful worldwide display of love and affection. It seems that it has spread also to the Rick Ross forum, where Frank
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Regarding a new logo for the JCs, I thought something along these lines (emphasis on the whip, of course)... Or, keeping a sense of humour, like this... And, for something slightly different, but just as relevant, I've been thinking that Dave and the JCs have similarities with this classic cartoon, Top Cat. I especially like the fact that the Top Cat is lying on rubbish bins (t
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There have been quite a number of good lists and suggestions for dealing with corruptive influence on this site. I think this list is worth printing out and sticking on your fridge or computer. I particularly like No. 5 regarding being humble enough to admit the error of our ways - something most Lekkies and the like wouldn't know how to do. This is also very good advice for any of us to
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I'm guessing that this thread is not a bad place for the following list supplied by Apostate from another thread (Jesus Christians): Resisting Influence Prepared by Philip Zimbardo and Cindy X. Wang Dr. Z’s 20 Hints About Resisting Unwanted Influences On You (Here is a set of general advice that I typically offer to students at the end of my courses at Stanford University, whethe
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Thanks for list, Apostate. If you don't mind, I'll stick this on one of the LGAT threads.
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I'm assuming LDS stands for Latter Day Saints. Any belief system derived from the understanding that women are the sole cause of original sin is corrupt. Why, in this day and age, do we still denigrate people? We may be an intelligent species, but strange how it doesn't take much to tickle the worst aspects of ourselves...
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Oh, to have an Internet connection faster than a wombat on a treadmill...one day, maybe. From the snippets I've been able to garner, I am keen to see the whole JK show. Zeuszor, for all the good works, perhaps, just perhaps, you should take some time off and go for a 'healthy' stroll outside (fresh air, etc)...just wouldn't want your health to suffer because of that compute
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QuoteBlackhat... and great things are coming from the "Easy English" series. I'm intrigued by McKay's use of 'Easy English'. What's it all about? The only information I have is that it is McKay's way of manipulating words. For example, is it true that the premise of 'Easy English' is to reduce the number of synomyns to a single word, such as, &
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Actually, it might be a good opportunity for one of Scientology's flagships (the Tom Cruise or John Travolta) to ready their missiles. Can anyone provide coordinates? LOL.
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There certainly won't be any volunteers on board the goodship Lekkie-pop! Oh, I forgot...there are still toilets to clean, decks to scrub, etc, etc. Anyone know of a Russian sub in the area? Perhaps this is a job for Greenpeace? Or a Japanese whaling vessel? I'd be happy with an Indonesian pirate ship... Of course, they'd all steer clear...
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private eyes, thanks for the illumination. Okay, so he seems to be the genuine article. Regardless of this, he is behaving on this forum with utter contempt. I can accept that feelings are running hot, especially now. But as I stated on a recent post, aspects of our character are revealed when we're gripped by emotion/stress. Fortunately, this forum is quite tolerant of a person's fligh
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Aghast, maybe I'm stupid, but most of your post didn't make a lot of sense. Please take the time to try and be clear with your intent and your grammar. Yeah, I know, I can be a bit of a Grammar Nazi...but making wild statements doesn't do your case any good. As I have stated, there are systems in place to protect your privacy, your well-being. If you consider me a threat, on any le
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Aghast, I take offense to your suggestion that the 'scientific method' I mentioned was intimately connected to animal suffering. Why twist my words? Do you find it piously satisfying to denigrate me? I can state now that you have revealed yourself to be a hypocrite. You harp on about our lies and hatred. Please consider carefully your own words. You make no favours for yourself by being
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