Silent no more: I really enjoy reading your posts and seeing you get free of the religious chains that were so deeply embedding in our hearts and souls. Keep it up, freedom takes some effort, but you are getting there. I have not posted here for a while, simply because I have other battles on other fronts. But with that said, I will not give up the battle of seeing other people get free fr
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my friend john pool who is the associate pastor at praise chapel kingman arizona, bragged to me that he makes eighty thousand plus expenses per year at the kingman pc for 20 or so hours a week. You do the math, i thought pastoring was about the call of profession and not possession. then he biches he has to deal with people, and all along living the lie of denial and omission. He has been my frie
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silentnomore great piece of history, and not all of it has disappeared we are still here telling the truth, they have to kill at least us, and I know there are so many more who are afraid to speak up. They have to kill all of us, to get rid of their bad history, but, we wont let them, we will tell the next generation about them right. jeff
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Silientnomore, Thank you for sharing the pc operations manuel, it is funny in the same breathe of saying it is mandatory to pay tithes to the mother church and global harvest, then the next sentence is voluntary, ha what a joke, and the outline sounds good on paper, but the funny thing is, pc pastors are not following this outline, honesty and integrity from these guys, wow I thought I was rea
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Silentnomore, You've pretty much nailed it, the bottom line is all that counts in PC, how big is your check book my friend lol. I am glad to report though that something new is happening in me, because of this forum and the input from folks like you, kinda makes you feel like your not alone, you know what I mean, so thank you for your input, I look forward to your future postings, S
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I invite any praise chapel pastor to come on here and debate the facts, NOW IT MUST BE NOTED: WE ARE NOT DEBATING THE BIBLE, RELIGION OR ANY OF THAT: This whole forum is in regards to: 1. How the PC Fellowship is Operated 2. Allegations of spiritual abuse of powers 3. Accountability in headship and finances 4. Relationship to Potters House and CFM 5. Organizational structure such as boards
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QuoterrmoderatorTo whom it may concern: Please note that "alteredpilot" did not answer questions specifically. He answered "yes"--but gave no meaningful details. He referred to "elders"--but never defined their role and how they became elders. And most tellingly--none of the follow-up questions have been answered. I just get the impression that altered
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Altered Pilot You made a statement in one of your last posts that this site was not a therapy group, I think you are wrong, I think that is exactly what this is for me and others, a chance to say what we are all thinking, to talk and relate to each other on similar experiences and in some cases family coming together, because some of us have been around pc for years and have known each other f
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To Everyone: Just for general knowledge and research, go to google.com and type in praise chapel cult, you would be amazed how many people think praise chapel is a cult, you will find several sites dedicated to watching cults and religions with cult like tendencies. Praise chapel is linked to potters house on many of these other sites as well. I guess potters house and praise chapel did not
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I have been doing some outside research on praise chapel, it is amazing what you will find on google. there are a few other cult watching sites as this one that link praise chapel to potters house and cfm to this day. So any of you praise chapel supporters this is a heads up, Rick Ross is not the only one saying this, google it for yourself, maybe the light will come on. Scary, scary stuff,
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Altered Pilot: I only have three questions for ya, do you think you can answer them straight up? 1. What fellowship or organization was your pastor part of before pioneering your current church? 2. What is your pastors name, is there a harm in us knowing if he is an upstanding guy like you say? ( I would like to research his pastorial career for myself) 3. Would you ask your pastor is he
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Mr. Altered Pilot, Your response is neither a surprise or something new. It is pre programmed, we have all heard this type of response and have been trained to give it. I am glad you think you know what a healthy church is, we all thought that too, and had there been a forum like this one years ago, we all would have been saved lots of grief and hardache. I still am not convinced by you of
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Altered Pilot: This is a quote from you to silentnomore: silentnomore, if you had read my earlier post you would already know how i wound up here, but just to make myself perfectly clear... a national group i belong to was trying to find a church or organization near coastal central florida to help a disabled veteran whom had reached out to us. i went to the praise chapel website to look fo
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Funny, The questions no one has asked, 1.why did mike nevelle leave the pentecostal church of God? 2. did he leave on his own or asked to leave 3. what is the nevelle history with other churches before founding praise chapel and larry nevelle entering the potters house? I talked to mike years ago about the fellowship he left before founding praise chapel, he did not want to discuss
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Frank, What you said about praise chapel not following the sheparding movement is false, they just changed the name a few years ago, they recommended a book entitled, the armour bearer, this was a new spin on shepherding, it still goes back to being your pastors slave and doing all you are told to do without question. So keep on spinning the praise chapel doctrine my friend, cause there ai
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Altered Pilot, If you are associated in any way with praise chapel, you are not a healthy church or wont remain one, Its corrupting influence gets everyone who hangs with them. I get that you are an affiliate with praise chapel and do not go under the pc name, we had lots of guys and churches like you even when I was pastoring in the fellowship, sooner or later they get to you and you become c
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Dear Silent No More, I did not realize that PC had sunk this bad into funkyness, I mean we all know they are out there, but throwing up in garbage cans, the old fall back on the deliverance ministry trick. could you please send me a private message and tell me which huntington park moron diciple is pulling this crapola. It is scary we got caught up in this stuff huh, I never would have tho
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My friend led me to this page, real interesting when the leader of praise chapel, although denying at every turn they are different and seperate from CFM (potters house) lists waymon mitchell the founder and leader of CFM as his number 2 influence, again they get caught in a lie, jeff watkins
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hey girl can you send me the web page link, please, I wanna check that out too thank you, jeff
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You do realize this is one of the fellowships that praise chapel fellowship ran with in the early days right? There was new harvest, set free ministries, praise chapel, potters house, victory chapel,, the door, la puerta, all of these guys ran together. They run just like potters house and praise chapels. jeff watkins
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Nawdew, You attended Carl Friedrich' church right? Let me tell you about carl, he was my discipler in the kingman church, he was involved in the fellowship cover up of my ex wife's affairs, his best friend in the kingman church was one of the first people who slept with my wife, I went on to be punished by the fellowship by trying to bring this issue to light, while the adulterer
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Nawdew, One line in your post really caught my attention and honestly made me shiver, you said " we were allowed to have fun". Who allowed you to have fun, sounds like your pastor did, am I right? Since when, do pastors have the right to allow or disallow anything, they are not God my friend, no where near to being God. In the church I was raised up in, Praise Chapel Kingman Arizo
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Preacherman, Wow, the indoctrination just never stops, does it, how about a treaty? I dont think so, The fellowship you swear by and too, has abused and made emotional and spiritual casualities out of most people posting on this site. You dont have to sell me on the fellowship, I pastored 12 years in the fellowship, which leader put you up to carrying the sword for the fellowship? Y
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Now cmon, you know that aint true Greg, Mike never took a strong stance against anything, that was some of the problems in the beginning of the fellowship. You call covering up affairs, lying about it, scheming with mitchell was taking a strong stance. As far as PC being different than potters house, there really is no difference. We may not call Donna an apostle, but the same control mechani
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Pastor J.W. Who are you, what is your full name, are you afraid of identifying yourself? I bet we know each other because I was there from the beginning too, I did my brainwashing (discipleship) in the first baby church of the fellowship, the Kingman Arizona Church. Johnny Dorris was not the first, Alan Cates was, ( He is one of the top cult leaders of the fellowship) I married his daughter, She
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Rick is Frank is talking about Howard Pennington the Arizona Pastor, I can tell you from first hand knowledge that he does not have a board nor would he ever have a board, there is no transperancy in this P C either. I know this as I attended that church on and off for the last five years. All this nonsense from these Praise Chapel supporters, They are either really unaware or just following t
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Let me tell you folks, the leadership at Praise Chapel is a bunch of mean spirited people. You get involved with these folks, it is enough to wish you never got saved. All they do is bring destruction and grief, anyone who questions this has never been a pastor or met in a pastors meeting in P.C. As for the guys who dispute it, they are a bunch of sheep going bahh, they dont think for themsel
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hi on the specially appointed or annointed, they take it from the old testament scripture, touch not God's annointed. They also love to beat you over the head with " And God gave some pastors, teachers, ect ect ect, I was a member of both cults as the kingman church began as a praise chapel, was taken over by potters house when mitchell wormed his way into foursquare, then became pr
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They are anti education, it is mocked, I informed the fellowship when I was pastoring in West Sacramento California, That I wanted to start college classes to be a music teacher, I am a musician, they mocked me and advised me my calling was to pastor not be a school teacher. They have always put down higher education and by the way syminary, anyone who attended bible college was a backsliding
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Let me guess, the kingman church right lol jeff watkins
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