Quotequestion ladyI agree completely with everything you just said exImpact. Yet, people do go to these things and possibly because they don't like admitting they need help and a large group seminar could sound less threatening, although we know that they are dangerous. LGATs have been capitalizing on people's reluctance to seek professional counseling or therapy for decades. Fr
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Quotequestion ladypragmatist, I am wondering if you understand why your previous post was perceived as heartless and uncaring. Did Landmark teach you anything about empathy? "Empathy," or more specifically "sympathy*," is a dirty word (concept) at Landmark and all the other copy-cats that use the "No Victims" thingie. Werner Erhard used to spit it ou
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QuoterrmoderatorIf others here feel Otter has something meaningful to contribute and don't mind his gibberish -- OK. But filling up threads with gibberish isn't that meaningful IMO, especially when they become repetitive. As for "beaver"--as long as you post within the rules -- OK. But please try not to repeat yourself. LOL... Funnily enough, they are the bes
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Quotebeaver1Do you ban everyone from this site that has anything but negative and hateful things to say about impact? It seems to me that most of it is about a few people who were not able to see through all the impact gibberish and are pissed because they spent their time"volunteering" for Hans and Sally. I guess they were not bright enough to see through it, Cheers to them! I have bee
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QuoteOtterI typed up this great-sounding response and erased it all because it wasn't coming from Spirit. Anyhoo...some of you who post here spent a lot of time and energy (pun intended) in Impact's "snare". How do you reconcile that with what you know now, and how you chose to live for so long, years in most cases? Don't you want to kick your own butts for buying in
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What is "peek performance?" Is this some secret Klemmer-type performance where you get a peek at the thing or something? Or is it just a typo that made it onto the front page of his book because, being who he is and all, he doesn't need editors (or spellcheck). And golly, doesn't the following review just sound sooo gen-you-ine? 5 of 5 people found the following
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Gee... Seventeen "reviewers" and they all gave the dude five stars. Hardly anyone didn't like the reviews, though they make me want to gag. Reminds me of the ol' ElRon trick of getting his brainwashed slaves to purchase stacks of his books to make it look as though they were best-sellers. So far, Amazon doesn't pull negative reviews that I know of so I sugge
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Quotepragmatist Hi Nettie - what I got is your thread. You requested I read your earlier posts - and I did. So here's what I really got - is that you think you somehow was a cause in the choice of your 10th enrollee to commit suicide (the guy with the 2 kids). It seems to me is what causes you the most trouble is the unanswered question you posted in the thread - "Who/what c
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QuoteTippytoeQuestion Lady I'm just read this book from Luise L. Hay, and other self help books .... It always states that if you're not in peace with someone or something you should first look at yourself. I dont know to much about the release technique so forgive me if I offended you. I guess missed the point You've missed a lot more than the point, Tippytoe. You'
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Quotequestion ladyTippytoe, No, he was not like that before. As I said Quotequestion lady In the past, if I was sick, he would express concern, ask if he could do anything for me, give me a hug. Now I get nonsensical cliches instead of empathy. The trouble is, I can't talk with him when he is "released" which is really dissociatted and disconected. I mean, I could talk, bu
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QuoteskepticQuoteMartinHI just want to give another example of the deeply rooted teachings of Landmark ... one of my Landmark friends told me yesterday that a forum leader tought them "Your own barriers keep you from getting what you want in your life" ... Mind-blowing isn't it? ... :shock: :lol: what a deeeeeeeeeep insight LOLOLOL Martin!!!! Too bad this long-gone TV s
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Here's a recent article from the New York Times on these door-to-door selling crews. I love this bit: “You’re involved in bad stuff, you’re seeing bad stuff and they tell you, ‘No negativity,’ ” said Jennifer Steele, 23. The New York Times February 21, 2007 For Youths, a Grim Tour on Magazine Crews By IAN URBINA Two days after graduating from high school last June, Jonat
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LOLOL... A portrait of a Landmark marriage if you read between the lines with a healthy dose of skepticism. Ellen
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Quotemaurice Personally i never ever talked about relationships and religion in landmark because i thought: "these are subjects i won't ever take coaching on and i know they won't like it if i refuse the coaching". I guess we all manage to save some small part of ourself that we don't hand to the lgats. Maybe those that are hopefully lost inside, those who got sucked
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culturebox Think Negative! Oprah, it's time to come clean about The Secret. By John Gravois Posted Wednesday, May 16, 2007, at 2:17 PM ET Dear Oprah, Not too long ago, one of your viewers—a woman named Kim—wrote you to announce that she had decided to halt her breast-cancer treatments and heal herself with her mind. Kim had just seen your two shows dedicated to The Secret, the self
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QuoteseawanAs many of you have said before, "positive thinking" is a good thing. Sez who? ~Positive~ thinking can be a good thing, a bad thing, an OK thing, a silly thing, or a stupid thing, depending on the circumstances. Quote"the law of attraction" is just an extension of such thing. Why is it called a "law?" Is it a law? Who made it a law? And why
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LOLOL... Just checked his website -- he gives it away with his list of clients. All the pyramiders are there: Mary Kay, Amway, Primerica. There's sure a lot of cross-pollination going on. I guess you'd be surprised to find there's scientology in the mix, of course. It's just another copy-cat, as far as I can tell. They are all so similar. Ellen
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QuoteRswinters 1. Breaking down phase which involves mentally, emotionally, and physically. 2. Retraining and building up stage with Marine Corp philosophy and standards in mental, emotional, and physical standards. 3. I can't remember the last stages name. But its basically a polishing stage of these parts of a marines mental, emotional, and physical elements to what give the man the
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QuoteduncacsI sort of question why I bother coming back to this site. A New Warrior friend and I were discussing this site recently and he followed it for a while then was "banned" because he simply couldn't see how these judgments about MKP hold water. ...Otherwise known as the loss or destruction of critical thinking skills. He "simply couldn't see" sounds lik
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Quotejokesonme I suppose I have no choice but to tell her I won't discuss anything landmark with her under any circumstances and that our friendship is at stake if she brings it up. I guess I just have to be ready to lose her. Maybe I'm just being arrogant to think I can get her out of this mess. It's frustrating. I think I'd tell her I'd found some disturbin
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Unless things have changed recently, Toastmasters is a legitimate program with no hidden agenda and a good choice to learn the types of skills the LGATs like Landmark pretend to offer. Dale Carnegie courses would also be in this category. Neither asks or encourages you to to recruit friends and family, take more and increasingly expensive courses, do "volunteer" work, and neither uses
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...It just sounds to me like the same old snake-oil, "erasing engrams," or similar idiotic recipes for turning away negativity, learning to ignore the unpleasant or embarrassing, ~disappearing the past,~ etc., etc. I'd go so far as to suggest that this is selling a form of insanity, for those who lose touch with reality - the part of it they "release," ignore, bury, &quo
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I was thumbing through a junky old paperback that was in a box of books and came across this startling news from 1978: "Before Man can progress, he must realize that THOUGHT is a MIGHTY CREATIVE FORCE. Each thought, therefore, ACTIVATED by STRONG FEELINGS of FEAR or DESIRE, is a CREATIVE ACT which seeks to EXTERNALIZE itself in the form of some EXPERIENCE, constructive or destuctive.
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Quotebelieveinusee here's the thing i could care less if my ex is at lamemark and her silly husband that she met there, but they try to infiltrate my babies minds and it's hard cause they don't want to go and be part of any of their freakin friends that they do home recruiting and what not, not where they live but other people's houses and the thing i'm wondering about is
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...Which also brings to mind the regressive nature of these groups. The fact is that they cultivate a type of childishness with the attendant grandiosity, dependence, impulsivity, and emotional immaturity. They reduce people. They make people foolish. Recall the book Joan Didion wrote about her descent into insanity when both her husband and her child were struck by fatal and serious illness
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I think we're hard-wired to grasp at straws. It may be the flip-side of our "evolved" brains or some survival instinct gone awry. It is disheartening to count the generations of con-men who have made fortunes using these formulae. Also, the loss of whatever legitimate content that gets tossed with the rest of the "New Age/New Thought" malarkey. I think there are so
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LOL... Some wag pointed out a long time ago that the "magical" part of the schtick of ~possibility~ is the utter unlikelihood of a thing ever happening that draws in the crowds and that these scammers never concern themselves with the more prosaic "probability" as that usually doesn't sell much snake-oil. It's just so much of the same "miracle-cure,"
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...I wonder if Oprah will read this. What're the odds? It might be interesting to note that Werner Erhard ran his ship aground when he tried to convince an audience - by logical extension of his kooky philosophy - that holocaust victims ~created ~ their own reality. Ellen
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Oprah's ugly secret By continuing to hawk "The Secret," a mishmash of offensive self-help cliches, Oprah Winfrey is squandering her goodwill and influence, and preaching to the world that mammon is queen. By Peter Birkenhead Mar. 05, 2007 | Steve Martin used to do a routine that went like this: "You too can be a millionaire! It's easy: First, get a million doll
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Here's a "friendly" blurb about the door-to-door sales business. It might be of some interest to note that Werner Erhard started out as one of these guys and formulated his "est" programs (now Landmark) from his earlier motivational sessions designed to get his people up and moving, pounding the pavement, and perfecting their techniques. The company he worked for, Groli
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