Another article that sounds eerily similar to RLc/TPc....only Mike dreams the amounts he receives were this amount. Quotebelongs2HimGood Lord. That article seriously creeped me out. That is exactly the kind of life that the V's wanted at TP. You can tell just by the wording of the 'covenant'. The first warning sign of the article was "The leader of Destiny Church, Bria
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The following story is worth reading. It sounds eerily familiar. I wonder how many TPC insiders will read this and recognize many of it elements. The ring thing is quite like the Radiant Life ring thing. I wonder how similar the TPC "covenant" relationship is to the covenant described in this story. No rings given by TPc. Pens and plates...yes. Rings...no.
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QuoteLearningPointCheck out that video I posted when you get a chance, TPR. Thanks! LP- Excellent post. Everyone who visits this thread should take the time to view that video. Thanks, TPR
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QuoteTurningPointReject Do you know that no where in the gospels does Jesus exhort his disciples to lead? No where. When he does mention leadership it is when he is calling out the jewish "leaders" or when he points out the flaws of "leadership". In fact he tell his followers they were not to be like the "leaders" of their day who "lorded" their p
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A biblical look at false prophets and apostles. As Christians, we are called to test those who bear the title of apostle or prophet (1 John 4:1). We are also called to be like the Berean believers who were commended for searching the scriptures to see if what they were being taught was true (Acts 17:11). Blindly accepting a church’s teachings or blindly submitting to a church’s leadersh
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A biblical look at false prophets and apostles. As Christians, we are called to test those who bear the title of apostle or prophet (1 John 4:1). We are also called to be like the Berean believers who were commended for searching the scriptures to see if what they were being taught was true (Acts 17:11). Blindly accepting a church’s teachings or blindly submitting to a church’s leadersh
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I pulled this from the pottershousefreedom.org site link posted by ostrisizedone. I inserted the names were changed to protect the innocent. A biblical look at false prophets and apostles. As Christians, we are called to test those who bear the title of apostle or prophet (1 John 4:1). We are also called to be like the Berean believers who were commended for searching the scriptures
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QuoteTurningPointReject The Chuck Pierce "prophecy" was meant for the people of TPC. It was a call for them to exit TPc by stepping "through the open door". And many have heeded the prophetic words of Chuck Pierce. But soon the open door will close and those who remain will be forever trapped in what is known as TPc/UGM I am sure Mike would disagree with this interpretat
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QuotebuddyLetter: In Mikes letter Chuck Pierce declares in a resent prophesy" to step through the open door" and more! Is this the same Chuck Pierce at ICA(International Coalition of Apostles) Chucks picture is right next to C.Peter Wagner presiding Apostle on their home page.Mike will want TPCWOC to spend money so he can go to all the Apostle conventions so he can wine and dine with al
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Weasels! Weasels! Everyone of you, Weasels!
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To my forum friends: I am asking you to pray. Please pray. The destructiveness of satan using RLc and TPc as his tool is very real. I am not able to go into details-just know that God knows the details. Pray for safety, pray for wisdom, pray for freedom, pray for reconciliation of families. Pray for truth to be revealed in minds that have been deceived. Pray for strength, pray for courage.
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There are a number of things that stand out as I read the letters. I will only mention a couple now due to time constraints. First I think its telling that Mike and Cyndi intentionally try to position themselves as victims (see point # 4 in their letter), and give this as one rational for "transitioning" at this time. By taking on the mantle of victim it garners sympathy. However
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Conducting a poll: Do the new events merit a new thread: United Global Minisitries: Who's Kingdom are they Building? Please respond with YES or NO and your reasons for why or why not (and suggestions for thread name). I will only start the new thread if enough people think its merited.
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Letter from Mike and Cyndi Letter from Elders What stands out to you in each of these letters?
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I am glad the pix posts have generated so much response. That means they strike some sort of nerve. Thank you, each one for sharing your thoughts about the pix.
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regarding the pic posts: thank you for your comments both for and against; both public and private. Some of you "get it" and some of you dont...rest assured those on staff who need to get it-do....
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The following is a questionnaire to see just how healthy your church really is. To determine how well it ranks, answer "yes" or "no" to the following questions: •Does your church tightly control the flow of information within its ranks? •Does the head of your church, along with the other “leaders”, use public shaming as a method to gain the compliance of followers?
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The following is a questionnaire to see just how healthy your church really is. To determine how well it ranks, answer "yes" or "no" to the following questions: •Does your church tightly control the flow of information within its ranks? •Does the head of your church, along with the other “leaders”, use public shaming as a method to gain the compliance of followers?
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"I know that as soon as I'm gone, vicious wolves are going to show up and rip into this flock, men from your very own ranks twisting words so as to seduce disciples into following them instead of Jesus. So stay awake and keep up your guard." ACTS 20:29 I guess in Jeff's mind the Apostle Paul would be a slanderer...or Opposition "...For there are indeed many un
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QuoteDaughter of DorcasThe Villamor's did not step down, they stepped up to UGM which is the umbrella company Mike formed for his new denomination which includes TPC Skagit, Marysville, and Lebanon. Just more smoke and mirrors. Or as we all know to well just more of the same old Mike Villamor games. Can you say Multi Level Marketing Ministry...Kinda like the AMWAY of religious groups...
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Can I get an Amen!! Pastor Jeff is calling anyone who questions the leadership at TPc "slanderers". And weasels... shame on you, Pastor Jeff. Calling people who have legitimate questions weasels. Jeff defines slander as , "an accusation maliciously spoken to damage the reputation of another". He goes on to instruct his listeners that the bible tells them to h
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QuoteTurningPointRejectThere are many freudian slips that litter the TPc website and "The Clown's" latest message on attitude shift. Its not really funny. But it is ironic. On the welcome page there is a slide that briefly states, "God is moving powerfully in our midst". I agree. God IS moving powerfully. Look at what He has done in your midst over the short sp
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There are many freudian slips that litter the TPc website and "The Clown's" latest message on attitude shift. Its not really funny. But it is ironic. On the welcome page there is a slide that briefly states, "God is moving powerfully in our midst". I agree. God IS moving powerfully. Look at what He has done in your midst over the short span of one year. You ar
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QuoteBrokenheartedI was trying to be subtle, and not offensive, but, I don't think I made myself clear. And, I've been convicted, that if what I have to say is offensive, and I use that as an excuse to not speak up, then I am not doing my part to speak the truth, but am being lead by the fear of offending others. So, here goes..... My confusion surrounding the reasons for people le
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QuotebuddySermon online: Spin Master Jeff Barnes latest sermon: Attitude shift(damage control)comeback attitude: Spin Master Jeff Barnes says, there are weasels that are trying to stop our church.Jeff says the people are little manipulators,little weasels and are into full blown opposition.Jeff says,that there is hired guns after the church.People want to stop the work at Jeffs church. Jeff says,
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Ever wrestle with when you should speak out and when you should remain silent? I noticed something with Jesus. There were times he spoke out against his attackers and there were time when he was silent. Typically, Jesus spoke out when his attackers wanted him to be silent...and he was silent when they wanted him to say something. Perhaps there is something to this pattern... Just a t
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