I have asked repeatedly to be put in the do not call book and to have my details removed from the data base. It has not happened. Eventually I sent an email a day to their world headquarters complaining and for about a year I got no phone calls. Unfortunately it was not permanent. so now when they call i use their language to bully them about keeping their word and integrity etc It usually
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but there is no end! landmark keep creating new programmes as well as encouraing people to do long term assisting or leading or reviewing programmes every two years! The only bit of hope I can give you is that if he/she is into the leadership side of things eventually the way the staff/senior leaders treat people will make her/him realise that its all a cr
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As a graduate, I don't think I deal or face fear any differently now then previously although for a period of time immediatley after I did the forum and participated I think I took more risks but not in a good way. I didn't think about consequences so in effect I lived as if I had no fear. Fear is a good thing sometimes It makes you take steps to keep your self safe While I do
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QuoteWhen you were in the LGAT, how did you delude yourself that you were seeing positive results in your life from what you learned? Or possibly, in retrospect there were some positive results, although they are miniscule in comparison to the harm? Did objective reality, like the amount of money lost or the relationships you lost or damaged, come into your consciousness at all? I am
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QuoteRelax. From where I'm sitting, the view of NZ is much the same: lush and pristine; populated by strong, independant folk (many consider the social and geographical climate of NZ similar to Scandinavia - so worry not). I'm sure it's just a cheap shot by Landmark when they realise their power is faltering. If you need more convincing, have you seen the 'tribal' dan
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I don't think people lack compassion more that they are trying to put the teachings they have learnt into practice and these teachings often overtake a persons natural compassion. I know when I was very sick while working for landmark, the lack of compassion was astounding. I was constantly coached about who I was being. What is scarier is that at the start i believed it. I believed eve
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TMLP and TMLP2 are both strenuous, consuming courses. The team in our centre had to travel to Australia (average flight then was $1k return) for the weekends, plus accomodation etc. Pressure was put on the communication managers to make sure no one left the programme. I remember one 3 hour call I had to sit through when one of the team wanted to leave when I was the communication manager i
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Quote"...the one and only pay increase came about because we worked out that landmark was breaking the law and not even paying our countries minimum wage." -- Any more info and/or documents on this? Was there a government ruling or press in whatever country?[/quote There are no documents simply because it was brought to our managers attention during a staff meeting he took it to the
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Elena has really said it all: QuoteSome wag observed a long time ago but it bears repeating here: Scientology is a business disguised as a religion; Landmark is a religion disguised as a business. Landmark is very well disguised religon. The reality is they are prepared to lie and decieve people just to get them in the door, they know once they have thim in the door, they can brai
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most staff earn paltry amounts except for the forum leaders and the higher ups in world head quarters. I know I took a massive pay cut when I started working for landmark and the one and only pay increase came about because we worked out that landmark was breaking the law and not even paying our countries minimum wage. We were constantly told that landmark is not in it for the money yet eve
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QuoteAre you a paid up customer? I think the only Landmark-for-free session is the introduction, which is an invite-only affair. Did your friend invite you to this? Otherwise, as I stated above, if you don't fill in the forms and pay your money you won't get in the door (which is not a bad thing LOL). If by some miracle (or should that be curse) you do get to attend, just be aware t
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I never in my time at landmark rehearsed being happy with anyone. there was reversing the introduction and other things like that but never reversed being happy. That unfortunatley is a side affect to the high that you get when you do a course.
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QuoteIs it true that you have to have 5 conversations a day about Landmark? What are the other requirements? Also, how oriented is the program around selling Landmark, and do they get assignments to enrol a certain number of people? My friend claims they know she's not interested in being an introduction leader, but this is for her and her leadership skills. There is no exact answer to som
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Well done for getting out. I reiterate what others have said but the best way to get "over" landmark is to re-educate yourself. to relearn the every day meanings of the words they use in landmark. It takes a lot to get their language out of your mind and it is the language that has one of the greatest holds over you and you links to landmark. Reading back some of the older posts o
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I am so sorry to hear about your girlfriend. Unfortunatley you are not the first this has happened to and you probably won't be the last.
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The link you have provided maggie is not an official press release from landmark education. It is an article and the writers generally include a breif explanation of what landmark is. There have been many articles of this nature simply because landmark encourages participants in the landmark Self Expression and Leadership programme SELP to get their projects written up in a news paper.
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It will be interesting to see how landmark is portrayed in this movie, or if in fact they are included at all. If they are included, do the producers throw the light on the possible negative influence landmark had on his life or do they treat landmark as wrong time wrong place type thing. I hope we get to view it in nz
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here is the link to the post on cult speak that Hope was referring too.
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Elena, They were constantly asking why these friends and my family were not doing the courses and who was I being that they were not registering, they constantly returned it to be about who I was being. In terms of using people that happens because landmark wants things done and who ever said they would do it gets "coaching" about being unreasonable which in layman terms means
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Unfortunately on2lf alot of lekkies use people like you have described above. I think for me this was one aspect of me they didn't break completely. I do not like using people, i will ask for help or assistance but I make sure I reciprocate. Even though my friends and I disagreed on a lot of things I still treated them with a certain level of respect and while I didn't spend as m
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QuoteI think you need to sever the relationship. Then and only then will she 1) stop trying to recruit you 2) stop hurting you and 3) perhaps come to the realization that LE is ruining her life. TOUGH LOVE -- refused to be involved. If she is involved then she can't be in your life. Like one of the other posters said.. it's like dealing with a drug addict. Until she feels a sens
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I can only let you know what i found helpful. You can say you don't agree with landmark but leave it at that. if you try and convince her of why they are so wrong you will drive a big wedge between the two of you.. Its a very fine line and to be honest it all depends on how much you value the relationship, because landmark will push to win and if that means losing relationships so be it
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I think the key thing is to keep open communication with the person involved within landmark. Listen to what they say and try to not criticise it. Try not to show your thoughts when they say they doing something with landmark. When all the shite hits the fans, they will know who has been there adn who hasn't. eventually they will see the light.. the question is how long are you wi
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QuoteAs this thread implies that Landmark has some (if not, many) redeeming qualities, would someone please list what they consider Landmark's positive contribution to education and/or life management I got some positive things out of landmark but went through hell to get it so I would not recommend landmark to anyone. They have no positive contribution to education or life management ot
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QuoteSonnie-dee, since you have done Landmark, how do you see it is effecting your life right now? What is positive, what is negative? Maybe others would like to shine their light on this too. Landmark still has a fairly big impact on my life unfortunately. I don't think it is possible to have been involved in it as much as I was and not have it impact your life. Some of the bigge
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QuoteI was pondering today how stressed out I was those days and how much more relaxed I am nowadays. Landmark may solve some problems, but when you get stuck in the organization, you gain a lot of new ones... It never ceases to amaze me how relaxed I am these days even when I am really busy at work, I just don't get to the same level of stress I got in landmark. I had to laugh when
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QuoteIf these questions are included in what you cannot answer due to the legal restraints, I understand. I am stunned that landmark would actually place a legal restriction on what a person can or cannot pursue as a career! Its pretty much anything that is in direct competition with Landmark. The loose way they worded it could technically mean that any training/teaching is out but I doubt the
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QuoteWere you in Landmark when "The Listenings" started? Those were really the days of jargon and languaging beyond comprehension... I started with landmark in the late 90's and left a few years ago. I was on staff when it went through the registration vs enrollment change and the language went through another restructuring then and it a horrible time, everyone was getting coach
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QuoteSonnie, do you think there was any possibility he didn't know? I mean, did he know he was lying? I'm guessing the upper level are probably evenly split between those who do and those who don't know the whole thing is a scam. I think there are many introduction leaders/staff who don't know they are telling lies, I certainly didn't. However I do believe David Miles
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QuoteOne of the statistics kept during the course was who had or had not shared yet... (that is: take the microphone and speak in front of the group). I think there was also a record of someone leaving the room. During breaks these statistics were being discussed with the forum leader. People not sharing were being watched a little more closely since they could interupt the process This actuall
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