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14 years ago
Hawk
Amen to that Frank. They seem to be pretty consistent as far as I can tell, because it's the same themes and attitudes keep cropping up, regardless of which Praise Chapel it is. As you already know, Neville who started Praise Chapel was longtime Pals with Mitchell. Although they had a parting of the ways, it sure seems that a great deal of Mitchell's ideas and methods were just carri
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14 years ago
Hawk
In cults like Praise Chapel, there are signs, but you may not always see them. That is why this website is particularly helpful, and in many ways. The more one reads and studies about cult, their methods, the attitudes and patterns that they follow, the more evident it becomes. “It boils down to 'Who's your Daddy?" - "Whose disciple are you?" "Who are you follow
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14 years ago
Hawk
There are so many facets to their methods of manipulation and control techniques. For the most part, they are very subtle. And, certainly they can never find it within them to admit that they engage in deceit. They feel somehow, and probably fully believe that they are above reproach. The pastors that I encountered always seemed so honest and sincere, and if asked about something that appeare
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14 years ago
Hawk
Correction on my last question was for "worshipGod" not believeGod as I erroniously indicated. Sorry.
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14 years ago
Hawk
"What you describe sounds exactly like cfm." I think you can take the Praise Chapel out of the CFM but it appears that you cannot take the CFM out of Praise Chapel. These are things about Praise Chapel that they don’t want people to know. Rather than taking efforts to correct the problems, which as you already indicated could take up to 15 years or so, they would rather put forth g
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14 years ago
Hawk
Frank: It seems to me that PC has had a reputation as being a cult for a very long time. In the four years that I count in attendance at Praise Chapel, I recall the pastor making mention of this many, many times. However he would make a mockery of it, and give the implication that being in a cult included candles, a guru, and black-hooded robes… then he'd laugh out loud and scoff. (Alw
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14 years ago
Hawk
In re: Frank “I aint taking up for PC because I don't defend denominations. They're all whacked somewhere because people run them." Good one Frank. I can’t argue with that. But my dear friend, PC is not a denomination. If I understand correctly, Denominations are such as Lutheran, Catholic, Methodist, Presbeterian, Baptist, Mennonite, etc. Again, regular Pentecostal chur
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14 years ago
Hawk
Pgcole: Quote: “Is there any love going on in that little heart of yours?” Hummm. Good question. Well, to be perfectly honest, I have no love of cults, that’s for sure. And I suppose that you’ve never heard anything about, “Judge ye not lest ye be judged?” Sorry “Dude,” I don’t feel that I’m quite ready to “chill” yet. Not when it comes to exposition of the truth with regard to the i
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14 years ago
Hawk
I need to add a correction as to my last post with mention of Hebrews 13:7, which I should have more accurately included Hebrews 13:17, as to what they continually hammer away with at Praise Chapel. It states: “Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that
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14 years ago
Hawk
With all due respect, it sure seems to me that there’s a lot of effort put forth by PC towards “damage control.” It would almost appear that certain individuals here are nothing more than propaganda ministers that come on this board to twist the truth around and put forth a lot of cover up for Praise Chapel. It kind of reminds me of “Lord Ha-ha,” or “Tokyo Rose” of WWII fame. Okay Frank, I a
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14 years ago
Hawk
Finally a fresh and honest perspective without all the spin, smokescreen and false claims that PC is not a cult. Here we have another former member, who tells his experiences at PC that are chillingly similar to what I encountered. I estimate that this particular PC mentioned is at least 100 miles away from the one I was at, yet I see the same exact manipulation, mind games and the keeping of m
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14 years ago
Hawk
Frank, I couldn’t agree more with your last paragraph, but still it doesn’t convince me completely with regard to some of the spin and attitudes as shown here, and these are from others in at least two different PC churches, and definitely not in the one I was at. Then why the similarities? Perhaps then as you say, the closer to the mother church then the more similarities would be evident. Is
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14 years ago
Hawk
Reading Frank's posting I do not doubt what he says with regard to his experiences, but I have problems with accepting that not all Praise Chapel's are a cult. I feel that many of them are, with some being less cult-like in nature than others, depending on the pastor. Just what I experienced with some of the comments and spin made by others on this message board only serves to con
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14 years ago
Hawk
Peace: The last time I answered one of your posts, I was very respectful and honest. If you somehow feel that I am trying to intimidate you and your desire it to jump on the blame game bandwagon as others have, then all I can say is that you a right to feel whatever you may feel. As far as stating, “facts not rumors” I will present any and all information that I have, to the best of my abili
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14 years ago
Hawk
There is quite a lot to be learned here on this particular message board with regard to Praise Chapel, the subject of the forum in the form of a question, “Is Praise Chapel a Cult?” and the methods, tactics, and attitudes of not only cult leaders, but those who are trapped in cults as well. I must also make mention of the numerous personal e-mails I received with regard to this forum. Some we
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14 years ago
Hawk
This is almost like the “Final Jeopardy! Round”… you know, the host first announces the category, then the show goes into commercial break… at which time the staff comes on stage and barriers are placed between contestants to discourage looking at one another’s answers. The contestants then consider how much they are willing to risk and are given time to write down their responses. Well?
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14 years ago
Hawk
Seems to me these questions are quite simple and easy to understand. If someone were to have difficulty in answering them, then my next question would be Motive. Knowing Praise Chapel as well as I do, then these are not questions that one does not have the ability to answer.. these legitimate questions are ones I suspect Praise Chapel would rather not address. And to that I say, why not? If
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14 years ago
Hawk
Moderator: Understood. Praise Chapel seems to exist in a state of spiritual lawlessness. And such an existence without proper rules, guidelines and boundaries opens the door wide for the spiritual abuses that take place. One can think of it as a wild west scenario, like a "Tombstone" or "Dodge City" without any sheriff or marshal to keep things under control or at leas
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14 years ago
Hawk
As far as I am concerned, I really see no need for me to post any further comments. Persons post here and change their usernames, blatantly violate the rules of this forum, take on and confront the moderator, and just add confusion to the mix. Whichever "Jason" it was, the one who claimed to be a "PC leader," he has already demonstrated my point on what constitutes a cult,
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14 years ago
Hawk
Hummm… Interesting. So I see you’ve found some more stones to cast Jason ol boy. Bravo! Funny you should use the word “slander” in your previous posting, though it does stand to reason. Why? Because the word itself is a legal term that carries with it a legal definition. Given the highly extreme LEGALISTIC nature of Praise Chapel, I’m not in the least bit surprised. Neither am I impressed.
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14 years ago
Hawk
"I feel posting here is pointless. Members like Hawk don't want to discuss issues or even be open to understand anything. The focus seems to be slander and spin. I will pray for all who have been abused. However I will no longer post here. " I think the Lord wrote a few more things in the sand before all of the remaining Pharisees finally left, and then He said, "Where have
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14 years ago
Hawk
"And you attack people when they question you." Done in classic Praise Chapel/Potter's House fashion I might add. Sounds to me like, "A defensiveness that results in intolerance of member-critics." Dr. James Dobson described it so eloquently the other day when describing cults who hide behind the bible to push their agenda. After he mentioned the false phrophets,
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14 years ago
Hawk
Well, well, what have we here? Is that a spirit of pride and elitism that I detect? I can tell that you’re just beaming in what you apparently perceive as your own cleverness. “What’s up Jimmie?” I don’t know son, you tell me what is up? You know nothing about me, my life or experiences, you know not who I am nor what I have been through. Yet you’re quick to judge and try and identify, clas
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14 years ago
Hawk
It is good to hear of a positive experience at PC such as the one Peace described, and it is my sincere hope that it remains that way. Initially, my experience there was positive, but only in the beginning. At one time I had been a very loyal and steadfast defender of my church. Over time however, I began to notice things that didn't seem right. I began to feel that something was wrong,
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14 years ago
Hawk
If you don't mind, I would rather not say "exactly" which Praise Chapel I was at, other than in the Los Angeles area. And just why would that be of importance to you anyway? As far as I am concerned they are all the same. Let me just say this, the particular PC that I attended, the pastors have a very nasty reputation of trying to extract revenge upon former members and those
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14 years ago
Hawk
Former member right here. I was in Praise Chapel for about four years. Probably one of the worst experiences of my life. The question raised, is it a cult? Yes. Absolutely. Do they practice spiritual abuse? Yes. Do they engage in mind control techniques? Yes. Do they demand tithes, and practice intimidation and public humiliation if one does not comply with the orders of the pastor? Ye
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14 years ago
Hawk
I've recently read a great deal about Potter's House, and the manipulative behavior of the pastor(s) is not unfamiliar. Thank God for your website and the postings. In fact, I just left a Praise Chapel church in the Los Angeles area for the very same reasons. Seems that the two are nearly one in the same. Does anyone have any further info, or sources regarding the destructive behavi
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