I understand that people from the current set-up of the fellowship do read this forum. I think I’d say this to them. You’re members of a church - a fellowship - that has its own section in a cult education forum. How do you feel about that? Perhaps you believe it’s no longer a cult, or cult-like. Maybe it isn’t! Has there been any acknowledgement from the leaders about their part in th
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Poor Ged. I do remember him, though not that well. He always seemed very enthusiastic (about the fellowship and his faith). I didn’t know he’d had such a bad time of it. I can’t remember when he left - early nineties? I don’t remember much about API, or who he married and so on. From what’s said on here it all sounds like there was a real tradition of covering things up at KCF, trying to keep
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I’m not sure the cartoon I mentioned has uploaded. That’s a shame! I’ll describe it instead. It has four panels. Both depict two eagles sitting on chairs opposite each other, one reading a paper, and the other drinking a cup of tea. The first panel has the first eagle saying, “Do you think the owl is a predator?” The second panel has the second eagle replying, “Of course not. He’s neve
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I first saw this cartoon about a year ago and it really struck a chord. It’s perfectly possible for people to have very different ideas of people in their head depending on how they were treated by that person. So for one person, Bill Turner might have been a nice, kindly man, maybe a little too fundamentalist, but still a decent person with a moral compass. For another, however, he c
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Interestingly, I've often wondered on and off if the rumours KCF has changed for the better are true. I've certainly heard it from one person whose opinion I wouldn't automatically discount (although it's a little more complicated than that - when isn't it?) But encountering our little troll on here, assuming they're a KCF member (which seems likely), has made it
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“Debate me! Debate me!” I scream as I, my amusingly p0rnographic username, and my stale memes become tinier and tinier until we shrink to the size of the world’s smallest violin, to be seen only in an electron microscope. My voice is so high and small it can now only be heard by a specialist working dog trained to hear the shrill noise of trolls who were refused a debate.
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Oh how strange, can you message me privately with your email? I posted it through the contact form on your site.
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Tkalc I have sent you a message via your website.
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Our little troll aside, I wonder how everyone is doing now with the pandemic and everything? I remember a lot of KCF teaching centring on the 'end times' and I've seen that phrase bandied about jokingly in the press recently; I have to say it still has the power to send shivers down my spine despite me not believing the book of Revelation to be literal, or being in any way charisma
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I’d suggest people stop engaging with this individual who is clearly here to ‘sealion’, engage in whataboutery and attempt to defend the indefensible. Hope everyone else is well.
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Anyone coming into a largely inactive thread to troll people who were harmed by those in charge of a place which, even if it has changed, has never apologised or made reparations, needs a lot more than therapy could give them. As for suggesting people should have just left and moved on with their lives; many of us were children. What a nasty, victim-blaming person you are. If you’re indic
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Thanks for sharing your memories of the place isawtheway. For you and anyone else who is still reading I can confirm that Cheryl Doyle is dead.
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Have reported AintreeLad as I said I would. It may or may not lead to a ban; I’m not sure this low level of harassment counts with the forum or not, and of course these types potentially have “sock puppet” accounts. Again I’m truly sorry to have brought this person here with his gaslighting. I suppose the good thing that’s come out of it is, if it’s true he didn’t clock straight away that I w
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For anyone reading, you’ll see how this is pure DARVO. For ex-members in particular, you’ll see some parallels between this and classic KCF behaviour. Survivors, you have an absolute right to your anger, to be angry. Whereas the anger of abusers and their apologists is because they see any attempt to escape their control as an attack on them. I feel this has unfortunately been more like s
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(This post is also, in case it needs to be said, written for ex-members / survivors and people who used to post here regularly.) This is my theory about what’s happened with KCF. I do suspect it’s less cult-like than it was, and may even no longer meet official definitions of “cult”. I do think it’s still pretty fundamentalist and evangelical (which doesn’t automatically make it a cult, though
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To anyone reading this, wondering if KCF has changed, I think this poster’s three replies tell you all you need to know. Have a look at DARVO (deny, attack, reverse victim and offender) with a good dose of acting the nice guy (just wanting to reconcile people etc.) You can see this disingenuousness in the anger seething beneath some of the responses compared with the nicey-nicey parts of the r
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> I didn’t realise that self-labelling yourself > anonymously (says anonymous man) > I have nothing to be sorry about regarding these > events. Didn’t mean you but rather the KCF leadership — if, as you say, they have “regrets” it means even they know they did something wrong. So they should apologise. I > can’t dictate what others do, but if I personally >
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The posts on here run from > genuine hurt to vicious bullying attacks to almost > incoherent nonsense, Wow. That’s one hell of a way to talk about survivors of spiritual abuse. “Incoherent.” Just wow. If some of the posters on here read a little wild and out there at times, how do you think they might have become like that? Being told as a child that the end times is coming and you’re
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It’s been a very long time since I’ve posted here (under a different name). I’m glad it still exists, though I have heard lots of reports saying the fellowship has really changed. I’ve also heard that people who’ve left have been blamed for everything that happened rather than Cheryl. I don’t know what to think. But I do know this forum has a lot of hurting people on it who don’t deserve to be br
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