It has been a bit since I posted last. As this is the #1 posted topic on the forum it proves that this cult is a cult. Lets be clear, the cult attracted damaged people like most/all organized religions. These damaged people raised their kids under the influence of this maniac Chris Butler. It is really sad to see how this cult has damaged and ripped families apart. The members of the cult have no
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its been awhile and I always enjoy contributing to the most popular forum on this site....Something is not all "Krishna-loka" on the inside of the butler cult these days. The devotees on the peripheral (Philippines, Arizona, Northern CA, Poland, Las Vegas, Nevada etc...) are not aware of this odd stirring that is occurring. I know that prior to Tulsi's run for higher office my sour
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Dudley, Spot on and thank you very well said and well described. Lots of info and a clear precise post. The devotees of Butler like to refer to "kala desa, patra" when it comes to Butler... "kala desa, patra; that is: time, place and circumstance" So if it serves Butler's needs and desires then it is ok due to this time and place being Kali Yuga, and the circumst
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596 views per day Wow! If you look back over this thread you will see how hard Butler and his devotees would try to disrupt and attack anyone on this thread.. it is amazing. the moderator would block trolls and cult moles over and over again. I am certain that this much traffic to this thread has brought the eyes of Butler and his australian boys who are like his royal guards attention. We used
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804,593 views so far on our little topic of an obscure cult leader from Hawaii. Than you Rick Ross. Your forum has helped shed a light on more than just the Science of Identity, but many more. Many have been sued by SIF ( I miss Henry and his Youtube Posts, the cult got to him in Canada and thrashed him into silence, we too also heard the other voices on the boat "accident tape" you
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VoxVeritasVita Das - I assure you and the rest of the forum this not polished Blue River productions stuff. Some of the Audio that I recently heard is Nasty AF, vulgar, and graphicly sexual ( with his disciples laughing). Butler is heard numerous times and seems to enjoys using the F word... not the one that rhymes with Duck. stay tuned is the best thing I can say now.
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VoxVeritasVita Das - I am very confidant that the audio of Mr. Butler's lectures will be made public. I hope soon. This is not about any political position, this is not about any of his followers. This is about the words that comes out of his (butlers) mouth. What we say matters and some of us will learn that lesson the Hard/Karmic way.
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a little bird told me that Gods only representative on earth will be heard soon (yes Audio). We have read transcripts, we have heard rumors of what Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupanan said during his lectures. Yet until we hear the sweet words emanating from his mouth. We really will not know. I am sure it will be filled with amazing things like "The search for wisdom is a great challenge; to act
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How is it that Chris Butler associates with the Gaudia Math? How does he reconcile this association that he informed us all that they were evil to the core and he would have nothing to do with them? How is it that he supports his female disciple (Sunda or something dasi) chanting in NY with ISKON on TV…that is some crazy sh*t) association with ISKON? When ISKON was out to kill him? (yes one of th
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I agree completely Corboy
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from the NYMAG. "(Tulsi says that she did not attend gatherings like these.)" I call BS. "He was also vulgar and vindictive. “He would start excoriating people for fucking up. Sound systems not working, cups of water not being cleaned, people dressed funny, driving poorly. He would publicly mock people. And when he would do that — that’s a form of Krishna’s mercy." Sounds
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how many of the "Elders" of this Science of Identity foundation are African American ? ZERO. how many Disciples of Butler are black ? perhaps 1 ? or ZERO. For a Man who is to be gods rep on earth. as good as God. It is a Glaring Fact that prejudice and discrimination thrive inside this cult ( THRIVE..Mike Gabbard and Chris Butler loved to hate on the gays ). Muslims eat cows so they a
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Tulsi is a puppet of Butler plain and simple. Look at her face. Look into her eyes. She was indoctrinated since a little child. A full brainwashing from with her Father& Mother standing by and helping pour the "holy water" of Butlers lies onto / into her Brain. I am 100% positive she is an initiated disciple of Butler ( got the name change and everything)... with that being said, sh
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It is fascinating how Chris Butler actually chooses winner and losers out of his devotes. If you are more pleasing to him, you will be better treated. If you are less pleasing to him you are treated worse and even publicly (within the cult) humiliated. That is his Church. That is his Temple. That is what it is like to be in the presence of God. Please Mr. Butler and God is happy with you. Mr. But
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u 1st
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Please speak up and share your stories. Ian is fully trustworthy as are the journalist. Things are about to get more intense and highly scrutinized.
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Thank you godhimself. so chris butler just co-opted the hare Krishna movement and did his own independent franchise that was not approved by his guru breaking all the rules as he now runs a cult of personality... he was envious of AC... wanted people falling at HIS FEET.... look I admire the courage and gusto ;) ;) but this is a mad man people... he is a maniacal lunatic...
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I call him Siddah because it is actually really offensive to him to call him that.. and his followers know how offensive it is to call him by his initiated name.They ( hi guys haribol, spirit soul) know this deeply and with mantra want you to avoid saying it... Sidda is a rascal.. he abandoned his gurus teaching and initiation.. for self empowerment. he wants to normalize his stance as a guru, to
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"Pride takes many forms, but spiritual pride is the most grievous. To become proud of spiritual gifts or leadership position is to forget that all we have is from God" Why stay in hiding? why is Sidda sending out the children of his disciples to be torn up in the political machines and slandered throughout the 3 worlds? Does Sidda not speak with A.bay C.haran at night over tea? how far
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VoxVertiV das that is so true. I have been and continue to be impressed by your continued work on this subject, keep on banging the drum. GODHIMSELF not sure if that is the correct pronoun to use. just google, SIF Philippines. Google is not as deceptive as Mr. Butler and his group.. but I guess God let SIF lie but holds Google to higher standards? because?
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when you are raised inside the group... All outsiders are bad people, you must keep that in mind to understand the mentality.. us vs the demon meat eaters, ( and gays don't forget the gays are out there)... You are also taught that with time, place and circumstance, you can lie,cheat, steal, eat meat.. you name it in the service of GOD.. KRSNA. Butler once said that he could go to downtown W
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great pics. yea that looks like gods representative on earth. why does he need protection ? if this guy is better than jesus.. and is gods best friend on earth.. why some guards to protect your fragile self ? buck up disciple of AC Baktivedanta swami? that racist yes -->> AC BAktivedanta is a racist sexist crazy person.. but come on Siddaswarup.. your guru would laugh at your scared fragil
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dear cult leaders and followers. you are all crazy. can't believe you will keep doing this to the children (rama and more) who were raised in your cult. shame on you. have you no faith in god? your guru is not leading you to god. but in to a materialistic life of law and judges. can't believe it... but oh well. soon enough the charade will be uncovered, we need more truth. I feel s
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Fascinating, I have not been on this site for a bit and I am very pleased to see the progress. I feel for Henry, he put in the good fight. He worked on helping others to be free from Mental Slavery. All in all I think he made the biggest open dent into what is going on with this Cult. I am proud of him as I understand his heart and at the end of the day he pulled an Arjuna... went in front of th
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I am so happy to see the forum still moving along. yes I concur about the vegetarian diet on the pets. how sad :( to love animals and not treat them like animals. remember they don't see animals as what they are animals, they only see a living soul in them. keep up the good work.
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The adults who raised their kids in this insane cult are as good as child abusers. Any parent raising their kids in any form of organized religion are child abusers. these parents in particular - Denied their children proper educations that handicaps and made it more difficult to function in society. ( all at the wishes and desires of Mr. Chris Butler, the ring leader, so he could have more mi
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how fascinating that some of these kids who are now adults are stepping out of the shadows. The pressure the devotee kids feel from their parents is very strong even with these "kids" being adults now. The indoctrinated mind is a very difficult condition to overcome. The secretive nature of this cult still holds a strong grip on the families associated with it. The Orange County Califor
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well we shall see what comes of all of this. is the guru still in charge? yes... has he been exposed as a hoax? ... no I am at a loss, these organized religions are but a pox on mankind. All Religion is a mental disease, it is a sad sad world filled with this human made curse. to quote the great mystic. "Allot of people don't want to make their own decisions, they are too sca
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Mr. Butler was SOOOOO obsessed with Gay sex it was incredible. I remember one gathering when he left his Malibu beach house and walked down to his insane followers jumping and chanting on the beach... and he talked in the lecture about this guy who was sun bathing in a thong who was along the way to the group of his followers. He was very clear to mention that this guy was disgusting and was try
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growing up in Butlers cult of deception it is true. We are taught the world we live in is bad, we are here because we were bad in a past life. We are not to make friends with people who are not in the cult. Mr. butler called public schools places where they grow sinners demons. Families took their kids out of public schools or never put them in them, the education of these children is the real cr
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