QuoteTruthtestyTo Forum: BUT according to Thieme, you were supposed to distance yourself from those who wouldn't listen to Thieme. So the parent either had to either kick thier young adults out of the house before they were ready for the world or force them to listen Thieme. Truthtesty Absolute, 100% false. Testy, Thieme didn't even make his own son attend Bible class. Though
Forum: Destructive Churches

QuotebrainoutTesty, don't fall over now -- I'm going to AGREE with you on two things. 1. Did Thieme teach Love is the Integrity of God back in the late 1970's? Yes. He just didn't say it in quite the same fashion as he later came to say. Ephesians 1:3 and you had a go-round about that, but you're right -- he did talk about the subjective and objective genitive back i
Forum: Destructive Churches

Testy - if it's any consolation, my IQ is not particularly that high. I don't get anything without intense study. I can't debate my way out of a paper bag. I gotta go slow, and sometimes with either Thieme, or scholastic subjects I literally have a study method where I have to sit down with study materials to my left and blank sheets of inkjet printer paper to my right and reco
Forum: Destructive Churches

brainout - I too am a little confused on exactly what the rules are on this forum regarding getting into lengthy exegesis. I would have thought that the forum, as per its own rules, would have not allowed multiple posts of this fashion, so I initially restrained myself from getting into this a few months back, but Liberty has since posted several lengthy posts that would require several posts inv
Forum: Destructive Churches

QuoteTruthtestyTo the Forum: Dr. Spiros Zodhiates said of Thieme's THEORY on the physical death of Jesus "UTTER HERESY.... I cannot in anyway either as a student of the word of God or as a native-born Greek, having delved into the New Testament Greek as well as the classical Greek for my entire life, accept the THEORY of Mr. Thieme. In my opinion, his THEORY is entirely erroneous and
Forum: Destructive Churches

Hi Liberty - This will be my last post on this forum. I know I've said this before, but there has always been something that needs to be revised or clarified. Right now ending this is just a matter of my life priorities, which include my family and school and my own personal Bible study. You've provided now what is probably a small book of material to go through. Even if I respond t
Forum: Destructive Churches

Liberty - My stand is that 1 John 1:9 must be used consistently in the life of the Christian, post-salvation. Yes, to disregard 1 John 1:9 is to abandon your spiritual life, including your prayer life, and including spiritual momentum. Period. Having said that, while it might be stated, in technical terms, that the abandonment of 1 John 1:9 could lead to the sin unto death status, and loss
Forum: Destructive Churches

Truthtesty - You say that you never said you were a Christian, yet you have posted comments such as: That is unhealthy for the body of Jesus. Debates would have allowed the biblical truth of Jesus to reign, not Thieme Jesus went all the way to hell and defeated it but it would just be too much of a risk to allow other christian theologians to speak in church? The bible says wat
Forum: Destructive Churches

Hi GeneZ - I would not worry about TruthTesty. Here are some of his quotes from some of his posts on a History Channel forum: Personally I think christians are subhuman animal-like creatures. Actually animals are better. My point is christians were sick murderers in the past and they are in the present. Yes I am better than christians because I hold to the truth of reality as it is
Forum: Destructive Churches

Testy: "It does not appear that Thieme’s definition of God's integrity(holiness) included love as a composite of integrity to begin with, as you claimed, just justice and righteousness." Again, one more revision, because this really needs to be clarified, thanks for bringing it up, by the way. Thieme's teaching as of 1978 (Wall's dissertation has a '78 copyrigh
Forum: Destructive Churches

one quick revision - I apologize, I mistakingly said in my previous post John MacArthur was president of DTS. He was not, he was president of Master's College.
Forum: Destructive Churches

I need to respond to one more thing, as I did not see your post, Liberty, regarding rebound, at the time of my last post. Liberty, I am glad you clarified your position regarding rebound. If I understand you correctly, you are relating 1 John 1:9 strictly to salvation. What this means is that, before we even get into the issue of whether or not the naming of sins might produce restored fellows
Forum: Destructive Churches

Testy - vacation starts now, but before I go, I would very interested to know if you could provide the source for your statement that Thieme taught the love of God is His integrity back in 1976, because this would be startling to say the least. Do you at least remember the series you were in, so I can go through the lessons and find it? Take Care
Forum: Destructive Churches

Liberty - I did not mean to imply in my posts that I disagreed with Thieme's teachings of rebound. Forgive me if I did not clarify what I meant. I was simply stating that I agreed with your synopsis of what rebound is on a mechanical level; you accurately portrayed it. I should have made that clear. However, I should state that Thieme had, especially over the last 20 years, gone to gr
Forum: Destructive Churches

Truthtesty - Thieme did not begin teaching that "the love of God is His integrity" until the year 2000. Up until then, the attributes of justice and righteousness, along with His love were taught as composites of His integrity.
Forum: Destructive Churches

Liberty..thanks again for your response. I actually learned a few things from your short dissertation, believe it or not. After reading what you have written, however, I don't think you are too far off base in some area, and I think even Thieme would have agreed. I know this might be startling, so I'll try to explain.... I totally agree with several of your concepts, notably that
Forum: Destructive Churches

Testy - It is Marilyn Quayle's (Dan's wife) parents who were/are members of the church, not Dan's parents. As far as I know, Dan has never even been inside the church. Berachah is not by any means "loaded". The information you are conveying, which you got from Dr. Wall's thesis, by the way, is accurate..part of the land owned by Berachah was sold to the Galle
Forum: Destructive Churches

hi Testy - You and I have such different worldviews that I think it would be difficult to engage in discussion regarding the military and what role a pastor should play in incorporating military themes into Biblical teachings without getting into an endless back and forth. I did not listen to, nor have I attended the classes that you mentioned regarding Muslims and the Middle East, so I c
Forum: Destructive Churches

Hi again Liberty, Thanks for your response. The big problem I have in responding to your post is that there is no way to give an adequate response without resorting to getting into Biblical exegesis, which would lead me down a path that we are not allowed to take on these forums. So, regarding rebound, I really can't get into an in-depth analysis of 1 John 1:9 and what its role is Bib
Forum: Destructive Churches

Some important points: 1. Thieme/ Berachah is/was not involved in any way with what is commonly referred to as Dominion Theology. This is the theology that Christians must get involved with the political process to the extent that they are attempting to change the legislative landscape to prepare for "God's government" sort of conditions. Any one who implies that Thieme supports
Forum: Destructive Churches

Orange - First I apologize, in that I made an assumption that you were the source of the full body of the message in your previous post. I think I misread it and thought the "comment from a few years ago" was the next sentence, not the entire message. In rereading your post I see how you sectioned off your post. This is what happens when your brain is firing on about 2 cylinders at
Forum: Destructive Churches

I just wanted to clarify the statement above: I actually recently read an article in the Houston Post written by a true Greek scholar who wrote that “Thieme made several grammatical errors” during multiple sermons. This gentleman was very unimpressed with Thieme’s ability to translate the original languages. I have heard the same from other scholars. For me, this was shocking, but it does mak
Forum: Destructive Churches

I would just like to back up what gr8nurse has stated, the statement by Wright_Again is actually the complete inverse of the church's focus. First, the last thing Berachah would ever consider a sin is material wealth. The church is and has been attended by people of immense power and wealth over the years, including Marilyn Quayle's parents, among others. The church, as does the Bi
Forum: Destructive Churches

rrmoderator - If someone has made up their mind that an organization is a cult, then anything said in it's defense will be viewed skeptically. I understand your point of view, but the difference between JW's/Mormons and Thieme is in their doctrinal teachings. I'll always stick with the what the Bible says above all else. I also want to clarify that I don't think anyone
Forum: Destructive Churches

hi again rr - I think my last post to this board didn't go through, so readers may not understand your response. Can it be posted? I'm just relating Biblical doctrine. Paul was persecuted severely of Satan. The New Testament is rife with this. Paul was a tremendous man of God, obviously. I'm following a syllogism that would go something like: If Paul was a great man of Go
Forum: Destructive Churches

hi rrmoderator - Well, that may or may not be something David Koresh might say, but the point is taken from a Biblical perspective. For instance, Paul was the subject of massive persecutions, many directed from the source of Satan. Satan, and this is a major doctrine of the Bible apparent from even an English reading, seeks to deceive and manipulate humankind. He doesn't want us knowing
Forum: Destructive Churches

hi orange - By subjective I mean that how one perceives things can be colored by their childhood, an abusive husband, an overbearing father, genes, etc. Sometimes how we see things, or how we were raised, or what kind of people we were raised around, or were/are married to can affect how we see everything, including a pastor. Some people end up attributing the problems in their life to a co
Forum: Destructive Churches

Hi all...I just wanted to comment on something written in the posts above, namely: I also suspect that a great deal of profitable sales were made from tapes and booklets This is not true. Since inception, every book and tape/CD produced by Thieme Ministries and/or Berachah Church has been completely free of charge. There is a library of many books, and over 11,000 hours of recordings by T
Forum: Destructive Churches