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25 days ago
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O, Petitor, you made me laugh so much with your comment about hair-dye not changing what’s at the roots! Hilarious! But true. Daisy69, I appreciate your sharing your experiences at Struthers on here. I hope you are recovering well after leaving SMC. Please don’t think about returning. You have definitely made the right decision to leave and you’re right about the spiritual abuse that goes on i
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28 days ago
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Welcome to the Forum, Hugh-black and Daisy69. It’s good to hear fresh stories from people who are new to the Forum. Hugh-black, you mentioned the issue of grooming. I don’t think this issue can be easily dismissed and described as a falsehood, as some here are saying. Although there was never a sexual element to the grooming, I think that the other signs of grooming are and have been present i
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4 weeks ago
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Hi cheerylizard Our discussions about Cedars House took place on this Forum in November 2023 and if anyone wants to read those in order to understand what cheerylizard is getting at, they are on Page 158 of this Forum. I’m wondering why you want to reply now to my queries which I wrote in posts here in November 2023. I accepted your corrections that Cedars House was not owned by SMC, as I and
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2 months ago
Rensil
Here is a link for a YouTube message by an American lady, Roberta Morrison, entitled Church Trauma. I thought people on here might find her talk helpful. She has been through the experience of church trauma herself and had to leave ministry behind. So she knows what she’s talking about. She calls it none other than spiritual abuse. When you listen to her, it could be Struthers that she’s talk
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3 months ago
Rensil
Hi ThePetitor No, as far as I know, the Cedars house was never registered as a House of Multiple Occupancy even although there were twelve to fifteen unrelated people living there. Looks like it should have had a HMO license. The rules for Inverclyde Council HMO licensing say the following: “If you rent a property which has three or more unrelated occupants and it is their main residence, the
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3 months ago
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cheerylizard I’m still a bit puzzled by your post about the house in Greenock called “Cedars”. You say that it is and has always been a family home with an actual owner. When I knew it and visited it, there were always quite a number of people living there. There was Alison Speirs, her friend, their teenage children, a young couple with a child, plus a number of students and young, single people
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3 months ago
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Hi cheerylizard I did ask for clarification when I wrote about Cedars house. As ThePetitor says, much in Struthers is clouded in mystery and one doesn’t get told the details about their many and various properties. So I don’t know all the comings and goings of Cedars House. I do know that residents all had to pay a rent. If it was once bought privately by Alison and Sheila, that’s fine. We all h
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3 months ago
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In a recent post, ThePetitor was asking how and when Alison Speirs was appointed as a Struthers leader. Everything I have to say about this was spoken publicly in church meetings and will be on tapes/CDs somewhere. Nothing is secret. As far as I remember, it was in the late 1980s when Alison was recognised and promoted as a church leader. Hugh Black told us at a Summer Camp meeting that he had li
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3 months ago
Rensil
Hello everyone These accounts are very enlightening: thanks for going over them and commenting on various points of interest, ThePetitor. I think I can answer some of your questions. In your post about the accounts you were asking about the mention of two flats which are owned by Struthers, one of which they are planning to sell. I seem to remember that the two flats are located in London and s
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4 months ago
Rensil
Hi everyone Good to hear from you again, Anonymous. I’m glad you received a welcome at Struthers. I don’t know if all of us would. You said in your previous post that your family still attend, so I hope they are cared for there. Yes, ThePetitor, I also heard that the New Dawn Coffee/Book-shop operated by Struthers in Greenock, has recently closed, with the reasons given as the ones you wro
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7 months ago
Rensil
I’d like to add a couple more things in response to curiositykillsthecat’s post above. The Cedars teacher, Miss Emma Rukin does have a full teaching qualification. She has a degree plus a postgraduate teaching certificate. She might not have completed these when you were at the school, but she definitely does have these qualifications. She is currently Depute Head of the School. The Head Teac
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7 months ago
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Thanks for all your recent posts. It’s good to see more ex-Struthers members and ex-school pupils having their say here on this Forum. Welcome to the Forum, MW89. Glad you found this Forum when you were googling for information on the church, even though it’s some time ago when you were part of Struthers. Experiences of Struthers can still affect us years later so I hope you’re now doing well
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7 months ago
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Hi curiositykillsthecat and welcome to the Forum. Thanks for telling us more about Cedars School and about your experiences there as a pupil. We only usually hear from pupils or ex-pupils who have also been, along with their parents, part of Struthers Church, but rarely hear about someone who wasn’t also part of the church. As The Petitor points out, there seem to be similarities between the
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9 months ago
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Hi Free@Last_Sometimes Thankyou for your post and a big welcome to this Forum. Well done for having the courage to post here and well done too for getting yourself out of SMC and walking in freedom, even if you only feel that you’re fully free sometimes (as your name suggests). Your story is very interesting but also concerning because of the ways in which you were treated, especially as a c
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1 year ago
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Thankyou, FatHippo, for your detailed and interesting posts about your time in Struthers as a child and teenager. Welcome to the Forum and I am so glad that you felt able to come onto the Forum and share your experiences of being part of SMC. It shows that there are people, maybe a substantial number, who read and follow this Forum without making themselves known or not right away, anyway, like y
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1 year ago
Rensil
Thanks for the link to the podcast interview, anonymousfornow. I have listened to it a couple of times to make sure that I did not miss any of the detail. I am not sure whether it’s you who are speaking on it, anonymousfornow, or if it’s another young person who used to be in the Struthers Pudsey church, so I will refer to the interviewee as SM instead of just saying “the guy” or whatever. Hope
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1 year ago
Rensil
Thanks for your posts, everyone. Very interesting as always. Just a wee clarification, ThePetitor. You mention the house belonging to the London Struthers church. If it’s the house in the countryside near Aylesbury that you’re referring to, that building, called The Refuge, belonged to a man who became a Christian and joined Struthers some years ago. He lived there and gave the premises to Strut
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1 year ago
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Thanks for your post, regtree1234. I hope you are happy in your new church and that your child will get the support he/she needs. Struthers folk always take that view that there is no other church which is following God or is living in holiness, as much as they are. This is patently untrue as we have all found out after attending other churches after we’d left Struthers. We’ve experienced what Ch
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1 year ago
Rensil
Hello everyone. Another Thankyou to escapedtofrance, for the link to the beliefnet article which I also found to be very apt when thinking of Struthers. The “5 signs of a Cult masked as a Church” all apply to SMC, as Chesterk55 has outlined above. These signs are definitely the attributes of a cult or a cult-like church. I know that the Struthers teaching is gospel and orthodox, as you say AlDuff
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2 years ago
Rensil
Thanks, ThePetitor, for all these expositions of verses which are hardly ever, or never, preached in Struthers churches. That is absolutely brilliant and spot on. I often think about verses or Bible portions which were never spoken about in Struthers. What about the verses on looking after one’s family and home, or about honouring your father and mother? They may do this now but back many years a
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2 years ago
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Thanks for letting us know the news about the Pudsey branch, Anonymousfornow. Didn’t know that had happened. I remember back in the 1980s that there was always a large contingent from the Pudsey branch who came up for the Summer Camps. I know that some of these will have passed away by now as some were older. But the numbers coming up to the Camps and Conferences did dwindle over the years. I
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3 years ago
Rensil
Hi ThePetitor Confirmation bias - that hits the nail on the head! The sermons have only been put onto YouTube because of the lockdown, ie so that people can continue to hear the preaching during this period when the churches are all closed. Only Greenock is putting on sermons. To get the Glasgow and Cumbernauld ones, I believe you have to go via Instagram therefore viewers will be monitored.
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3 years ago
Rensil
Interesting to re-read these old posts, ThePetitor. I don’t think much has changed in SMC since then, judging by their recent YouTube videos. The preaching seems be the same old, same old as it was, with the same content about living in holiness and always ever seeking that deep place with the Lord, using a Bible verse or verses about Israel from the Old Testament. Despite outward cosmetic (liter
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3 years ago
Rensil
Hi everyone and thanks for all the recent posts. Like The Petitor, I say a big welcome to new contributors and thank you for having the courage to post. I believe that Phoebe2 already posted on this forum a few years ago. Phoebe2, you mentioned Andrew whom you had watched preaching via YouTube. As The Petitor has explained, he is Andrew Jewell, nephew of Chris Jewell, and his family have a lon
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3 years ago
Rensil
Welcome to this Forum, escapedtoFrance. I am so glad that you managed to leave Struthers after you took a study Year abroad. Getting out of Struthers took great courage as did posting on this Forum and writing a Blog about your experiences in the church. You will also help other young people who are confused. I have read all three of your blog posts: they are very well-written and explain exac
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3 years ago
Rensil
Hi everyone Thanks, ThePetitor for your piece on "counter-attitudinal argumentation." That was well done and the comparisons are spot on! I hope you'll receive some more responses. The only inaccuracy I can see is that there is now no rule in SMC about women wearing hats. That went out sometime in the 90s, I think. The rules are always changing. At this time of lockdown when
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3 years ago
Rensil
Hi ThePetitor The big green van belonged to Jock. It was his work van for his outdoor tree work. It only picked folk up in Glasgow. I remember a van coming from Falkirk too, transporting yet another group of young folk who were giving everything to follow God (or a church?). Yes, we did have fellowship during these journeys but I remember the SMC leaders instructing us that we should be travelli
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3 years ago
Rensil
Hi everyone! I've been continuing to check this Forum for new postings and always read all of your contributions with great interest. I'd like to also welcome the new contributors: Jock, Enkrateia, and just recently, #thisisme. Sorry if I have missed anyone out. Thank you also, Petitor, for your informative posts. I did watch the YouTube video on spiritual abuse: it is excellent and ver
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8 years ago
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No, it doesn't have any links with Destiny churches or ministries run by Andrew Owen. SMC leaders and members do not mix with other Pentecostal groups/churches nor do they involve themselves with other church-related ministries, as a rule. There are some exceptions in recent times, such as attending Aglow, Street Pastors, Teen Challenge, e.g. but they wouldn't link with another Pentecos
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8 years ago
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Hi West of East and Phoebe2. Welcome to this Forum and thank you for your very interesting and detailed posts. West of East, I'm glad and relieved that you had a good school experience at Cedars School. I wouldn't want any child or teenager to have an unhappy or pressured time at school. You must have been at the school from when it started as I think it opened for the first time in
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