Don't think recordings would work in this situation. The damage has already been done and this pastor has convinced his congregation and others that spiritually mature wives can "handle" a lifetime of verbal and emotional abuse from husbands.They call it "suffering for righteousness" I left this church years ago, but after great harm had been done to my family. No one a
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Other women are kept in the dark because this pastor hides his teachings on abuse. He would never dare spout his position from the pulpit! His counsel to endure abuse is done in private conversation. If this pastor is challenged or questioned, the woman is label "rebellious" or "disobedient". Fortunately I no longer attend that church. But the effects of this pastors counsel o
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Yes. A great deal of damage has been done by pastors who twist Timothy's writings to suggest that God allows wives to be spiritually, emotionally, verbally and even physically abused--for the glory of God! The pastor at a church I attended in CT drew a line (sort of) at physical abuse but suggested that every other type of abuse was to be endured silently by wives. The effect of silence in t
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I'm okay. I am still looking for more information regarding Thieme type churches. I would like to understand why they have such high expectation of women but seem to give men a pass on so many things.
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Is anyone still on this thread? HealthyheartSickheart?
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Recovering Christian, I re-read your post today, and said a prayer for you. I'm sorry that your experience in a Thieme church distorted your understanding of Christianity. I attended a Thieme offshoot church for almost 12 years, but attended other conservative Christian churches for approximately 30 years prior to that. Believe me, the teaching and resulting thinking at the Thieme type
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I understand your reluctance to continue visiting this website. I too have concerns about posting, as there are important privacy concerns, and reputations at stake here. I also understand your remorse about posting at this website, as I'm sure you are concerned about any adverse effects on your mother. There is also a possible underlying concern about "opposing" someone who is in
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Just an FYI. I did contact Joe Wall about my situation and experiences with the Thieme off-shoot church. Dr. Wall emailed to inform me that although he does not agree with some of the Thieme doctrine, he is still friendly with a number of the pastors associated with Berachah, and interacts with them socially. Sad, (because of the harm those teachings have caused), but true.
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Thank you for your post. I am not able to use the "know them by their fruits" argument, with my husband and sons. The pastors of this Thieme offshoot church have already maneuvered around this argument by teaching that "fruits" refers to the "fruit of the lips", or "the doctrine" that a believer professes. These pastors teach that it is wrong to go around &
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Months ago I spoke with the pastor at the Thieme offshoot church, about the concept of Christian submission. The long and short of it is that, although there was agreement that a husband should submit to Christ, and therefore demonstrate humility in his behavior toward his wife, this is NOT the same submission that a wife is to have toward her husband. In fact, the pastor used the word "obey
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Hi I'm a wife and mother of three, in CT. My family attended a church pastored by followers of Bob Thieme. These pastors grew up in Bob Thieme's church. I left this CT church about six months ago. My husband and sons still attend this"Thieme-type" church, and give unquestioning loyalty to it's pastor. My marraige is ruined, and my three young adult sons have no idea
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