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13 years ago
sonnie_dee
QuoteThe Anticultthere is so much information in there. And the lady who worked for Landmark 9am-10pm 6 days a week, which is 78 hrs a week, for $24,000 a year, (about $500 a week). $500 wk / 78 hrs = $6.41 hr $6.41 an hour. Was that below the minimum wage? Landmark has consistently underpaid their office staff. When I worked for Landmark my salary was around the $25k a year.
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
landmark actually has policy that they will give a full refund but they don't make it public knowledge. If you don't get a good response from the centre that has the money write a complaint email through their website to world head quarters. they then tell the centre to give a refund
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
QuotenettieI think the communication course leaders are unpaid assistants. Right? I know that the SELP leaders were unpaid and also the seminar leaders. They were really used by landmark. All under the pretense thet it was good for their progress. Am I right in this assumption that they are unpaid assistants Sonnie_dee? Semi right there nettie, The communication course leaders are actu
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
communication course leaders are a slightly different breeding from forum leaders. they tend to be regional based. they don't undergo the same training as landmark forum leaders. I know most of the communication course leaders in the australasian region but haven't heard of Gabrielle before. The main ones in that region now are maggie, caroline, michelle, zoe and beth. Having sai
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
Yes I have met Jinnedra a couple of times. He lead several forums while I was a staff member. He is a sexist egotistical pig. He spent time with all the male staff members as a group and individually the first time he came to the centre and woulnd't speak to me at all (I was the only female staff member for quite a while). He would tell another member of staff to tell me what he wanted
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
Quotepatrick-darcyinteresing answer because in all the forums the empowerment process starts the people to cry and then to wail and scream and cry and then later as they are doing the terror to the people they begin to laugh and giggle. do u recall your first forum, did u cry or think it was tripe then ? the reason i am going here is because so far u are the only person i have ever found
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
Quotepatrick-darcysonnie-dee i have this question for u. what was and is your opinion of the empowerment process. do u recall it and did people wail and scream and cry at any of the forums u were at as a worker or assistant. I do recall this process. Personally I think it is a sham. Every time I did the forum and this exercise I fell asleep because it was complete tripe. But there
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
QuotePatrick Darcy did u ever know anything about the forum for children. i have never ever heard anyone it seems talk about it. basically i was told years ago thats just the forum for adults but with children attending instead of. and what about the forum for clergy ? Yes I know a fair amount about the landmark forum for children and young people. Essentially it is the same forum althou
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
Patrick in answer to your question I do need to keep somethings out of the picture just because people could work out who I was other wise As an assistant before I was on staff I was a course leader support which is basically the unapid butler. You picked up the forum leader, shopped and cooked for them, did administration tasks they asked for. took their laundry to a laundrimat I also
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
QuoteNettieSleep deprivation is one element in brain washing/mond control. If you don't sleep properly you loose your critical thinking. In Landmark world all project are supposed to be "unreasonable". Usually this means that the participants in the project are driven to the max. Sleep becomes a not prioritized thing. The Forum itself is based a lot around making people not g
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
The same thing happened in New Zealand, Doctors, Nurses, police, corrections officers, members of parliament were all paid to go on landmark courses I remember listening to Kim Hill who is a radio presenter here in nz talk about landmark and she was less then flattering
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
QuotePatrick-Darcyi have never had anyone tell me what their "landmark duties " actually were. u said u went across town and got him some coffee but what were your actual landmark duties. can u give us some details ? Are you asking about when I was assisting or when I was a paid staff member?
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
I have done similar and been the course leader assistant. The first time I did it I had roger armstrong and he was a complete arse. He would yell and abuse all the people assisting and that claim the way he spoke was acceptable because he was coaching them. I took time off work and found myself doing typing for roger and picking up his dry cleaning and trapsing all over the city to find the
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
Landmark really messed with the word integrity so much so that even now I don't really connect the word integrity to the most comonly held meaning. I tend to use the word ethical when really I mean integrity for example I am a manager of staff who make sales and every other manager talks to their team about making sales with integrity where as I talk with my team about ethical sales.
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
Zorro I am so sorry you lost your job. I hope you get another one that you enjoy quickly. Unfortunately Landmark has cost alot of people their jobs, their relationships and their friendships. You are taught to give landmark everything and anything that doesn't mesh 100% with landmark is not good.
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
I agree with Nettie, It is someth that happens from time to time. It happened in our office and we were not about to be closed or anything. People do start to realise that things are not what they are cracked up to be and once that crack starts showing it just gets larger and larger.
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
It is no suprise to me that there are companies out there with links to Landmark. Landmark works hard on getting these links made. In most courses, participatns will be asked if they want to take it to their work and then they are given documenation to give to bosses. Landmark is like an weed. it puts its roots down in as many places as possible
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
I can probably answer some questions that others may not be able to. I was a landmark staff member - one of the few paid ones. I also volunteered before going on staff. I trained as an introduction leader and have completed most of their courses. All the leaders and staff are taught how to manipulate, how to twist peoples concerns into positives. Leaders literally have to learn answers t
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
The advance course has changed a lot in the last decade. I have done it a few times and yes it is quite intense. I found that the leaders became a lot more pushy and demanding and also tended to treat people even more roughly. While I would strongly recommend that your ex not do the course, I also know that you will find it very hard to stop him. Landmark is all about making money, Once
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
This agreement has become a lot more complex since I was a staff member, while it was still pretty bad then they have definitly increased the things that they recommend you dont participate for. by the way if a person ticked yes or no to one of those questions when the answer landmark wants is the other one then a staff member does call and talk to the person about it. Some of these con
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
QuoteBlue Pill Thanks for this info. Could you also confirm the following if possible - Salaries for paid staff are all pathetic, usually in the £25k / $50k range Unpaid staff do more than just the course related stuff. They do what could easily be proven to be work which would an "ordinary" organisation would have to recruit and pay salaried staff to do. Employment contracts
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
While most of the centres follow a basic structure there are some differences on the roles of paid staff depending on how many paid staff there are ine centre. The centre I worked in was small so we all had multiple roles. Here is what I know about the staff structure Each centre has a centre manager who may or may not have other accountabilities, primarily they are responsible for cau
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
QuoteZorroSo how many of you all have recieved a threat from Landmark Education? How did they threaten you? Did they follow through on the threat? I think on the whole Landmark management are far to carefull to threaten in such a way that it could be used against them. They can get the message across in so many other ways. I have had "reminders" about the agreements I signed as
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
From my expereience most people who put in a lot of time and effort into landmark become disillusioned. Landmark can not give them the same highs they had at the beginning of their time with landmark and they start seeing the cracks behind the facade alot more easily. Its virtually like a drug addiction - You can't see the problems it is causing until you hit the bottom and the drugs ar
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
It doesn't surprise me at all about them changing the page, they will get rid of anything that may bring negative publicity and while the Charla Mack herself didn't do wrong, the fact that she murdered by one of their senior participants/seminar leaders would definitly lead to alot of bad publicity.
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
Hi shadow, I have constantly said that I was anti landmark. I feel the way they manipulate people is completely unethical, I feel that they way they run their business is very wrong and they way they treat their staff who are not forum leaders is disgraceful. I am an ex staff member and therefore after working for more than a year and achieving relatively good results (according to landm
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
QuoteThey would not be paying Werner Erhard 50% of the profits (before tax) every quarter!...So he sits on the beach in the Cayman Islands, living the life of O'Riley, while his little slaves work away for no pay....very good scam! Where did you get this information that 50% of the profits go to werner? I am sorry but I don't believe this is accurate. having read the financial docu
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
Quoteso I'm curious about how come it costs so much money to learn how to assist, as I have seen what these "assistants" do, sit at a table and hand out little name tags, and little cards where people write in their name. Most Grade 9 students could do this after 15 minutes of instruction. Yet it seems to me that one has to spend in excess of $1,000.00 to learn how to d
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
QuoteI wonder if one of the prerequisites to get a job at Landmark Education is that you must have paid for and taken the Landmark Forum and other coures, eg the Advanced Course, etc. ?? I wonder if another prerequisite to get a job at Landmark Education is that you have to have worked as an unpaid volunteer laborer with Landmark Education in their " Assissting Program ", fo
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14 years ago
sonnie_dee
As an ex lekkie I have to add that those friends who toughed it out for me are the ones that I am forever grateful to. It was hard on them but they stayed in contact even though at times it was very strained, and sometimes with gaps in the middle they still kept in contact. They set some pretty strong boundries which I actually stuck to mostly which included absolutely no attempts by me to
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